most underpowered class in game?

[greatdane]

Originally Posted by Trelaboon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druid by far. Honestly have no idea how that class is so popular. They have some niche areas that they can do well, but those are few and far between.

It's a super convenient class if you don't care about doing any particular endgame stuff. It has everything a casual player could dream of. Effortless travel, root and snare, heals, nukes, dots, buffs, able to function in groups, pretty good solo, can farm money... if it isn't important to you that your character is particularly good at anything, druid is perfect. It's the ideal class for seeing the sights and smelling the roses. Also an excellent moneymaking alt in classic where any remotely profitable content will be permacamped 24/7/365, but the porting business is always open to anyone and everyone.

[Troxx]

Paladin is nowhere close to most underpowered.

Strong utility kit. Great tanking. They can lull pull. They can solo better than war/rog. They have important raid roles.

Only kryptonite is low dps.

My vote for end game is druid as absolute worst. I say this having one at level 60z. Capable in their own right but 100% replaceable for everything other than casting potg.

But i acknowledge they can port, buff, quad, charm and a lot of other things relevant for levels 1-59. They are not fully obsolete ever … they just can’t do anything someone else does better other than cast Glades at 60. They have flexibility in the sense that they CAN get the job done healing and CAN dps if not called to heal … but for each job they are objectively the worst possible choice. Worst healer bar none (though adequate enough) … and of the classes that can be expected to fill a dps role they suck at it. But they can flip flop between the two.

[Troxx]

So yeah I assert that globally all classes have their moments of shine. Some are situational. Some are level dependent. Some are group awesomesauce while others do better in raids.

Wizard are globally the most fucked. At 60 in raids Druids are worse though.

[Troxx]

Correct!

They are a globally very strong class. They suffer only on raids endgame. That’s my point. I can’t think of a single class that just sucks. In their own right and considering all aspects of gameplay I can’t think of a single bad class.

[Keebz]

If you leave out raiding (read: targets that requires disc), I think Warriors are pretty bad and Rogues are a close second. They just have 0 abilities, can't solo and aren't necessary for anything. Rogues have a few more uses, at least.

If you specifically talk about raiding, Druids are pretty oof, except in PoG/Fear. Though POTG is great, and their long range heal is occasionally useful. Wizards are situational as well, but between AE, TLing, kiting, tagging, and nuking (e.g. Dragonbane or 32k targets), they are usually quite welcome. The hybrids get shit on, but they can auto-attack raid mobs and tank trash which is never useless. While SKs are probably the weakest of the group, I struggle to think of a raid situation where you'd want to switch from an SK to a Druid. Maybe to cast some POTG or SOW, but you would probably log back over.

[cd288]

You see mages in exp groups all the time what are you even talking about?

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You see mages in exp groups all the time what are you even talking about?

I believe he's talking post 60. Imagine you have already levelled your character, tossed some raid gear on it, nothing's in window and you don't need any padding xp, what do you do with it? If you're a shaman maybe you go solo A4 or Ayillish or something, but as a mage?

I don't think mages are uniquely bad here, probably pretty similar to the rest of the bottom third or so of the classes on that metric. But for some classes having good answers to that question can be a strong perk.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point of killing Cliff Golems is because you want the loot they might have.

Eh? If the wife and I hammer over to OT to beat up some golems, you can rest assured we don't give a damn what they drop. The reason we'd go there is to have a nice time enjoying the game's good mechanics in a convenient laid-back spot, doesn't matter whether we kill five or fifteen, whether they drop nothing or some random wizard spell or whatever. Different folks do stuff for vastly different reasons and obsessing over speed is far from universal. Point being, speed is only one aspect of a character, a nice one, but not the end-all be-all.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You see mages in exp groups all the time what are you even talking about?

Speaking just for myself, having been 60 for a very long time and hence far removed from the leveling game, here's my very unscientific impression of what I tend to run in to out and about in the parts of the game I like to hang out in: I feel like I see a fair amount of enchanters, necromancers, shamans, clerics, druids, paladins, monks, and bards. Usually I'm cursing the bards. I don't see all that many warriors, rogues, shadowknights, rangers, magicians, or wizards. Doesn't mean they're not online, just they're not as often doing the same type of stuff that I like to do. For example I assume Warriors are disproportionately likely to be raiding. I probably see more paladins than random chance would suggest due to my own nostalgia for the class causing me to tend to talk paladin stuff them and invite 'em to hang out.

Danth

[Raj]

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[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh? If the wife and I hammer over to OT to beat up some golems, you can rest assured we don't give a damn what they drop. The reason we'd go there is to have a nice time enjoying the game's good mechanics in a convenient laid-back spot, doesn't matter whether we kill five or fifteen, whether they drop nothing or some random wizard spell or whatever. Different folks do stuff for vastly different reasons and obsessing over speed is far from universal.

That's irrelevant to an objective analysis of power level. I love playing casual theme decks in Magic the Gathering. Doesn't mean the power level of those decks is high.

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine you have already levelled your character, tossed some raid gear on it, nothing's in window and you don't need any padding xp, what do you do with it? If you're a shaman maybe you go solo A4 or Ayillish or something, but as a mage?

If you're a Mage you can solo/group in Plane of Mischief and various other spots too.

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well well, I see someones never been on a low numbers AoW kill, fast vulak engage, or anything else remotely competitive since the soulfire nerf (paladin buff).

If you are low numbers for something, Paladin isn't the class you want there to optimize the raid. "Competitive raid" in the p99 PvE sense is a joke and not what actual competition looks like, nor what classic EQ raiding looked like. You should explain why you think Paladin is some kind of benefit there anyway, I can probably tell you why what you're doing is not the best tactic. Soulfire wasn't used on Red99, btw, and ToV was being taken down with smaller amounts of people there than on Blue (and with characters who are geared less for PvE, wearing more resist-centric equip to guard against PvP).