most underpowered class in game?

[Allishia]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I think underpowered is warrior. They have the least amount of utility. I Love warrior too, but warrior requires a whole bunch of support from other classes in order to get anything done.

Rogue is in the same category, needs a group (tank) to be effective. But hide / sneak and pick locks put them above warrior in their abilities levelling, questing, exploring, etc.

War is not under powered at all, rogue maybe but not war [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

War is not under powered at all, rogue maybe but not war [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

are we assuming every class were talking about is level 60 with NToV gear? because then youre right, warrior is a beast.

but levelling, questing, exploring -- warrior falls far below just about any other class. even cleric is more powerful than warrior (if you dont have to kill the mob and just need to not die). for me, warrior coming in as most underpwoered comes down to what a class can do solo, because p99 is a low population with scarce numbers across the levelling zones 1-50

warrior cant crawl through a dungeon killing stuff as effectively as a monk, sk, paladin, enchanter, mage, necro, shaman.

warrior cant get aggro in groups as good as a ranger, paladin, sk.

warrior cant travel with the ease of a druid, shaman, ranger, bard, wizard.

warrior cant provide any support in a group like a cleric, shaman, druid, bard, enchanter, paladin, ranger.

warrior cant sneak into KoS zones like a monk, rogue, ranger, druid, SK, necro, shaman, enchanter, wizard, bard., mage

warrior cant do the DPS of a rogue, monk, enchanter, wizard, mage

warrior can tank raid mobs without dying to quad attacks and rampage.

i mained a warrior from 2001-2005, its one of my favorite classes. but on a low pop server like p99, its really underpowered.

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

are we assuming every class were talking about is level 60 with NToV gear? because then youre right, warrior is a beast.

but levelling, questing, exploring -- warrior falls far below just about any other class. even cleric is more powerful than warrior (if you dont have to kill the mob and just need to not die). for me, warrior coming in as most underpwoered comes down to what a class can do solo, because p99 is a low population with scarce numbers across the levelling zones 1-50

warrior cant crawl through a dungeon killing stuff as effectively as a monk, sk, paladin, enchanter, mage, necro, shaman.

warrior cant get aggro in groups as good as a ranger, paladin, sk.

warrior cant travel with the ease of a druid, shaman, ranger, bard, wizard.

warrior cant provide any support in a group like a cleric, shaman, druid, bard, enchanter, paladin, ranger.

warrior cant sneak into KoS zones like a monk, rogue, ranger, druid, SK, necro, shaman, enchanter, wizard, bard., mage

warrior cant do the DPS of a rogue, monk, enchanter, wizard, mage

warrior can tank raid mobs without dying to quad attacks and rampage.

i mained a warrior from 2001-2005, its one of my favorite classes. but on a low pop server like p99, its really underpowered.

Recently leveled a warrior to 40, exclusively grouping from lvl 10 or so. At least on green,lots of lvling groups.
I found a pickup group at runnyeye sporalis one day. Lots of fun

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Recently leveled a warrior to 40, exclusively grouping from lvl 10 or so. At least on green,lots of lvling groups.
I found a pickup group at runnyeye sporalis one day. Lots of fun

Love to hear it. I get sad thinking about green not having the constant waves of new players like it did for the first 2 years of its existence.

Also love that it was in Runnyeye and not Unrest.

[zelld52]

i do think though, warrior is more able to survive than rogue, so maybe rogue the paper tiger is the most underpowered.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I do agree Warriors are lower on the totem pole. I myself mained a Warrior on live in the Classic to Velious timeline and beyond. But they are so necessary in this timeline due to their discs that I believe that pulls them ahead of Rogues and Mages. You could get rid of Rogues and Mages and still clear all content on P99. You probably couldn't do all content on P99 without Warriors, unless maybe you have an insane zerg like 200+ people.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do agree Warriors are lower on the totem pole. I myself mained a Warrior on live in the Classic to Velious timeline and beyond. But they are so necessary in this timeline due to their discs that I believe that pulls them ahead of Rogues and Mages. You could get rid of Rogues and Mages and still clear all content on P99. You probably couldn't do all content on P99 without Warriors, unless maybe you have an insane zerg like 200+ people.

can be said about most of the classes for a raid. my guild cleared NToV with between 40-50 players back in 2002 with no paladins, mages, necros, or druids.

just a whole bunch of rogues, bards, clerics, -- plus a few shaman, few wizards, few monks, few tanks, and a couple enchanters and 1 SK

that was with upgraded gear from Luclin though... hrm

i guess its harder to determine the underpowered classes.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

can be said about most of the classes. my guild cleared NToV with between 40-50 players back in 2002 with no paladins, mages, necros, druids.

just a whole bunch of rogues, bards, clerics, -- plus a few shaman, few wizards, few monks, few tanks, and a couple enchanters and 1 SK

Oh I agree. Most classes could be deleted. I'd say you probably only need Cleric, Warrior, Enchanter, Monk, and maybe Shamans for resist debuffing to clear all content in this timeline. Everything else is just nice to have. This assumes you could remove the porting requirement of Wizards being able to take you to PoS and PoH.

This is one thing that makes Warriors special, you couldn't really delete them and clear a lot of content without a considerable increase in players and coordination.

[zelld52]

yah -- but for the rest of the game (not raiding) its gotta be warrior / rogue as the bottom two underpowered

what about most middling class? definitely druid, right?

also whats funny is i completely forgot about rangers. not even trying to be funny, just forgot they are a class that also occasionally raids (sorry arrow bois and girls)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I would put Mage below them, simply because on P99 most people know that Warriors and Rogues are group heavy classes. You don't see a lot of people trying to solo Warriors and Rogues, so you need to consider that less when thinking about it.

The sad thing about Mages is they are really the only class that gets worse as they level. Warriors and Rogues can improve themselves via gear and levels, where a Mage can never gain a good amount of Utility and CC. Their damage is capped by their spells and how their pet scales, so they have a much lower ceiling for clearing content late game. That is why they end up as CoTH bots, because they are fun to level, but there isn't much to do at the end.