most underpowered class in game?

[Cen]

It's sometimes hard for me to decide what class is worst across the board, but I can always name something every class is bad at [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Some are less bad at their worst than others as well.

[Fammaden]

That's because they are underpowered outside of raiding in Kunark/Velious. There's a better choice for just about any activity.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's because they are underpowered outside of raiding in Kunark/Velious. There's a better choice for just about any activity.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also want to know where all these non-COTH-parked magicians at 60 are at, because I don't see 'em around very often at all in the parts of the game I hang out in. What are they doing? Besides raiding, that is. I see them doing something like 4-way in Kael Drakkel once in awhile but on balance it's a rather uncommon 60 to see out and about.

Danth

Both of these are 100% true. If you have played the game for a while, you tend to notice a lack of level 60 mages out in the wild. I rarely see one doing something other than raiding.

[Jimjam]

Did some velks upper dogs xp recently (58-59 enc,cleric,war,mag) and honestly mag was no slouch. Wouldn’t have replaced it with another class if I had a choice.

I find it hard to place mage as most underpowered cos it slaps 4-39 on a new server, has a decent epic and a clear intractable raid role.

I don’t think I can pick out a most underpowered class. The ones which seem a bit bum often have a huge trump card to bring them back in the running.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did some velks upper dogs xp recently (58-59 enc,cleric,war,mag) and honestly mag was no slouch. Wouldn’t have replaced it with another class if I had a choice.

I find it hard to place mage as most underpowered cos it slaps 4-39 on a new server, has a decent epic and a clear intractable raid role.

In most cases you would rate a class based on something more specific (solo, group, raid). OP is asking about most underpowered overall, which is a much bigger thought process to consider.

And again, "underpowered" in Everquest does not mean bad, or you shouldn't play them. Luckily there are no bad or broken classes.

[Vivitron]

Rogues are mostly group classes, so you weigh soloing lightly on them.

This depends very much on the player's progression in the game.

When you're leveling your first and so-far only character? Having better solo / duo / trio options absolutely has weight because sometimes you can't find a group or don't have the time and attention to dedicate to one.

The resources to just swap to a better character for the situation come later.

[PatChapp]

I have a lvl 60 mage on green that I basically don't play. They are kinda trash at lvl60, but pretty fun to get there. Very strong,but boring class at raids. Running rip sticks or mod rods is about the depth of them once coths are done.
I don't think their hugely underpowered, more one dimensional. Mages don't have alot of options

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a lvl 60 mage on green that I basically don't play. They are kinda trash at lvl60, but pretty fun to get there. Very strong,but boring class at raids. Running rip sticks or mod rods is about the depth of them once coths are done.
I don't think their hugely underpowered, more one dimensional. Mages don't have alot of options

Precicely.

For the other posters, you keep shifting out of "most underpowered overall", to things like " most underpowered soloing", "most underpowered in classic", etc.

This is why we are talking past each other.

Most underpowerd class (on P99) must take into account the full timeline because your character will be in all expansions. It must take into account how the class plays before level 60, and at level 60. It must take into account the average server's raid time, which is casual. It must take into account the role of the class. It must take into account how useful their toolkit is.

Mage is the class I see the least often at level 60 outside of raids. The reason for this is simple: their decent solo capabilities do not outweigh how poorly they scale as they level, and how their toolkit just doesn't mesh too well with the timeline and the player bases knowledge.

If this wasn't true we would see more Mages.

[Zuranthium]

The things you write are so frustrating. You continually bounce between arguing only Velious matters and "all eras matter", and your overall assessment still ignores the superior ways to progress in the game (aka what is most powerful), and the impact of what a Mage brings.

Mage is played less in this era outside of raids because Enchanter/Necro are more powerful overall and other casters have either big heals or teleports to fill heavily requested game functions. Mage in Velious era is also psychologically underwhelming because the only thing they gain compared to Kunark is the ability to make their pet unfearable and teleport it to their location, rather than the more tangible upgrades other classes get. But regardless they are still strong and can contribute more to a typical group than a Wizard or a melee player who doesn't have great gear. And can definitely solo better overall than those people.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t think I can pick out a most underpowered class. The ones which seem a bit bum often have a huge trump card to bring them back in the running.

Paladin being deleted from the game would basically change nothing. Their +200 HP buff in Velious gives them *something* desirable, but it's not necessary, and if we are talking about someone only having 1 character to play, rather than just logging on the Pally to buff before getting on a better character, then I'd rather have another Cleric anyway (or another Rogue for DPS, or another Bard for manaboost, or another Warrior for tanking).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The things you write are so frustrating. You continually bounce between arguing only Velious matters and "all eras matter", and your overall assessment still ignores the superior ways to progress in the game (aka what is most powerful), and the impact of what a Mage brings.

Since we are looking at the overall usefulness of the class, you cannot simply look at a single era. Otherwise the question becomes "most underpowered in Classic", "most underpowered in Kunark", etc. So you look at the whole timeline, which includes understanding how your character will end up (i.e. in Velious on P99).

I am not ignoring the superior ways to progress in the game. The problem is progressing a Mage is pointless because they end up sucking at 60, except for being a CoTH bot. This is the irony of a Mage. They have good progression and nothing to show for it in the end. The question isn't "which class can progress to 60 fastest".

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mage is played less in this era outside of raids because Enchanter/Necro are more powerful overall and other casters have either big heals or teleports to fill heavily requested game functions. Mage in Velious era is also psychologically underwhelming because the only thing they gain compared to Kunark is the ability to make their pet unfearable and teleport it to their location, rather than the more tangible upgrades other classes get.

Now you are getting it.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Paladin being deleted from the game would basically change nothing. Their +200 HP buff in Velious gives them *something* desirable, but it's not necessary, and if we are talking about someone only having 1 character to play, rather than just logging on the Pally to buff before getting on a better character, then I'd rather have another Cleric anyway (or another Rogue for DPS, or another Bard for manaboost, or another Warrior for tanking).

We aren't talking about deleting classes, so this point is irrelevant. In a discussion about deleting classes, deleting a Mage wouldn't really change anything either. It would just slow down the raiding meta a bit. You don't need CoTH to do any raid content.