Sleeper being awoken tonight (April 13th)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Let's just stick to the topic at hand. There is plenty of politics in RnF and Off Topic already lol.

[Ooloo]

The point about manastones is that people are not mad about manastones being taken out. We all understand that will happen. We also *should* all understand that the sleeper being awakened is inevitable. It could even happen *by accident*. It therefor makes no sense to be mad about one and not the other.

If you wanted a guise on p99 green, you had to sock through the other people who wanted to get it, before it's too late. If you want warder loot on green, you also had to sock through the other people who want it, before it's too late. It's the same thing.

It's like when somebody claims an analogy is wrong because you're comparing two things that are different. Like yeah that's why it's an analogy; you're showing how two things that are different in some ways (player VS dev controlled) are also similar in more important ways (you knew what you had to do to get item X and you didn't do it, sorry).

If ST had announced in advance (which they did, just by days not months) would that have somehow been better?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point about manastones is that people are not mad about manastones being taken out. We all understand that will happen. We also *should* all understand that the sleeper being awakened is inevitable. It could even happen *by accident*. It therefor makes no sense to be mad about one and not another.

If you wanted a guise on p99 green, you had to sock through the other people who wanted it to get it, before it's too late. If you want warder loot on green, you also had to sock through the other people who want it, before it's too late. It's the same thing.

It's like when somebody claims an analogy is wrong because you're comparing two things that are different. Like yeah that's why it's an analogy; you're showing how two things that are different in some ways (player VS dev controlled) are also similar in more important ways (you knew what you had to do to get item X and you didn't do it, sorry).

If ST had announced in advance (which they did, just by days not months) would that have somehow been better?

Exactly! Thank you for the succinct summation.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point about manastones is that people are not mad about manastones being taken out. We all understand that will happen. We also *should* all understand that the sleeper being awakened is inevitable. It could even happen *by accident*. It therefor makes no sense to be mad about one and not the other.

If you wanted a guise on p99 green, you had to sock through the other people who wanted to get it, before it's too late. If you want warder loot on green, you also had to sock through the other people who want it, before it's too late. It's the same thing.

It's like when somebody claims an analogy is wrong because you're comparing two things that are different. Like yeah that's why it's an analogy; you're showing how two things that are different in some ways (player VS dev controlled) are also similar in more important ways (you knew what you had to do to get item X and you didn't do it, sorry).

If ST had announced in advance (which they did, just by days not months) would that have somehow been better?

A lot of words, but choice remains

It's not removed by developers. Not the same thing.

[Goldknyght]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point about manastones is that people are not mad about manastones being taken out. We all understand that will happen. We also *should* all understand that the sleeper being awakened is inevitable. It could even happen *by accident*. It therefor makes no sense to be mad about one and not the other.

If you wanted a guise on p99 green, you had to sock through the other people who wanted to get it, before it's too late. If you want warder loot on green, you also had to sock through the other people who want it, before it's too late. It's the same thing.

It's like when somebody claims an analogy is wrong because you're comparing two things that are different. Like yeah that's why it's an analogy; you're showing how two things that are different in some ways (player VS dev controlled) are also similar in more important ways (you knew what you had to do to get item X and you didn't do it, sorry).

If ST had announced in advance (which they did, just by days not months) would that have somehow been better?

This is ignorant. Those items removal or changes were nerfs. If this game magically stopped in velious, nerfs to this event WOULD OF HAPPENED. But the game didn't stop here, it kept going. so no need to nerf it as its irrelevant. P99 staff needs to nerf this in the future. Nerfs happen because of unfair advantages or broken mechanics. this mechanic is obviously broken if the game stops in velious.

[Skarne]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is ignorant. Those items removal or changes were nerfs. If this game magically stopped in velious, nerfs to this event WOULD OF HAPPENED. But the game didn't stop here, it kept going. so no need to nerf it as its irrelevant. P99 staff needs to nerf this in the future. Nerfs happen because of unfair advantages or broken mechanics. this mechanic is obviously broken if the game stops in velious.

I think you mean sleeper needs a buff to not wake up after all 4 are dead. A nerf would mean the sleeper would wake up after 3 or 2 or 1 warder dies.

Despite that I think the mechanic works exactly as intended…I don’t understand where you’re coming from on this.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Despite that I think the mechanic works exactly as intended…I don’t understand where you’re coming from on this.

Agreed, I am confused as well on what he is trying to say.

[Goldknyght]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you mean sleeper needs a buff to not wake up after all 4 are dead. A nerf would mean the sleeper would wake up after 3 or 2 or 1 warder dies.

Despite that I think the mechanic works exactly as intended…I don’t understand where you’re coming from on this.

Well the manastone was working as intended. the Guise of the deceiver was working as intended. but unfair advantages were discovered and it was nerfed. So this interaction only happening once should be nerfed for a p99 server that stops in velious. How is this not understandable?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the manastone was working as intended. the Guise of the deceiver was working as intended. but unfair advantages were discovered and it was nerfed. So this interaction only happening once should be nerfed for a p99 server that stops in velious. How is this not understandable?

That is a separate argument from this thread. It would certainly be consistent to simply remove all legacy items, but that isn't what we are talking about here hehe. P99 is supposedly trying to re-create the Everquest timeline, even though they don't do it perfectly. This is why they put Manastone in for a month and then remove it, to attempt to simulate the limited time drop of that legacy item. But that is still a customized decision that is unique to P99, and not the same as the on-the-fly nerf that occurred initially in 1999.

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not my problem you are trying to move the goal posts now.

Calling me a troll won't make your initial comparison any less stupid than it was.

Not moving the goal post, I am simply trying help you out by explaining different aspects of my argument. It is a waste of time for you, since you are a troll. But hopefully it is beneficial for the other readers.

[Skarne]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the manastone was working as intended. the Guise of the deceiver was working as intended. but unfair advantages were discovered and it was nerfed. So this interaction only happening once should be nerfed for a p99 server that stops in velious. How is this not understandable?

Because when those things were nerfed it was 1999. The ultimate goal of this server even though there are some things still to be improved, is to be as classic as possible. This includes timelines in which items were nerfed back in the day.

What you’re talking about is ret-conning the original developers decisions which wouldn’t be in spirit of the original purpose of the server.