Red 1.0, not dead? New Ruleset?

[Tunabros]

rent free + mad

sorry you spent time making that instead of playing on red

[Gustoo]

Plus everyone gets to make fun of your cowardice. If you spend any time bagging at all you look like a total chump.

They’ll have to fight scripting if guys get naked too fast tho

[Tradesonred]

Another tweak to add to an item loot server would be to lower the prices on the melee armor quite a bit on NPC vendors. I never played melee really so i dont know the stats difference between banded and vendor crap but some way for melees to stay geared until they get the no drop, or if no drops are never added well, to stay geared. Someone who knows melees more could work that out.

I know were drifting away a bit here from classic, that this is added workload for devs, unlikely to happen but its more fun to theorycraft what a working, fun red server would look like than playing on red right now so what can you do.

[Gustoo]

Tradesonred - yeah it is fun to try to kill twinks. Bagging isn't a problem tho if twinks start bagging everyone can start laughing. The most important subforum of this board doesn't exist which is "shameful pvp" which should be lots of screen shots of ogre PK's becoming progressively more naked as they flee through faydark.

Regarding melee armor on NPC's - a full set of banded is about 100pp to craft, and to get to banded skill it is about 100pp. Banded armor will be dropping from grinding noobs like flies. You start looting ringmail at like level 20 so its not difficult to be equipped with some armor. Possibly make sure the price for second hand banded at vendors is super cheap so after PK's offload it, normal players can re-buy from vendors at 1pp / AC or less which is typical price of crafting it.

The most common loot for a PK killing people during their EXP grind is a 4/45, 5/55 or 6/65 ring, which failed to act as a suicide device probably because of a server tick. 7mr bracers were also very common as well as the cheapo crafted MR neck piece.

Banded is lighter weight and higher AC than all the other default armors besides bronze which is super heavy. It really isn't hard to get armor in P99. On rallos zek people knew less and more people never made it out of the lowest levels so there was a market for what we consider vendor fodder items. That stuff will all be dirt cheap on red 2.

You are 100% correct about the Red 1.0 ruleset. It was the worst imaginable ruleset for PVP. The only benefit it brings to the server (still to this day) is to dispute camps in a manly fashion rather than having account sharing pharmers poopsock infinitely all the easy high platinum value camps.

But it made the EXP grinding experience more cumbersome for not much more fun, sadly.

I too was and remain surprised at the poor ruleset choice and moreso that it was on Beta and never got tinkered with or corrected before the server launched, and has been quiet as a cricket ever since. The ruleset is not classic, and seems contrived by people that never played an EQ pvp server, or had any interest in what could and does make one fun. Or all of the above + only considering everquest at level 60 which is not where most EQ players actually played the game.

Trying and failing is fine, but trying once and never doing anything else is supremely disappointing because we're staring a really great server in the face and yet seemingly little attempt has been made to achieve it.

[Gustoo]

Another thing to add is that when item loot is enabled, twink PK's also have more interesting things to do than just cause grief. Grief for sport will always exist but they too will be seeking targets that look valuable.

Thats why reputation of being a PK vs Anti PK mattered on rallos zek and never happened on Red 1.0. It isn't just because the "meta" is different now. It is because on rallos zek you wanted to know who you could trust to wear decent armor around, and you always kept track of the people who you couldn't, forever.

[Old_PVP]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats why reputation of being a PK vs Anti PK mattered on rallos zek and never happened on Red 1.0. It isn't just because the "meta" is different now. It is because on rallos zek you wanted to know who you could trust to wear decent armor around, and you always kept track of the people who you couldn't, forever.

This is true. Item Loot is the key missing ingredient to creating a successful anti-pk / pk environment. Without it, you get a server full of "random pks", aka reds. Which is no good... you need blues as well for healthy PVP. Without item loot you get this stupid environment of no grudges held because nothing of value is really lost. So then you just get "lol PRAS, GF - lets group now!". [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item Loot servers will help foster those good long grudges that last for years and entire guild wars are built around. Paradoxically, it may be the only driving force that could turn bluebies towards embracing PVP. When a known PK murderer enters a zone, bluebies may band together to drive them out in order to protect their hard earned pixels.

[Videri]

Originally Posted by Old_PVP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you need blues as well for healthy PVP.

I'm not an expert, and didn't play back in-era, but I suspect this guy is right.

Originally Posted by Old_PVP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item Loot is the key missing ingredient to creating a successful anti-pk / pk environment.

I hope P99 tries a Rallos Zek ruleset item loot pvp server!

[reebz]

Red 99 rule set was fine sorry you didn't have fun playing

Reset and we are good to go or stay for ever dead

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by reebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Red 99 rule set was fine sorry you didn't have fun playing

Reset and we are good to go or stay for ever dead

It was not fine. Im guessing you didnt start playing before late Kunark so you dont know the rule set was changed, drastically, mid-Kunark. I had to scream and shout on the forums for like 1.5 years before they changed it and by then pop had dropped from 600 at launch to single digit at nite.

I agree that just a simple reset would probably bring back something like 300+ players (probably more, at least for the first launch weeks) and if we are lucky like what happened to a camelot server and a popular streamer brought in 1k+ who knows what kind of pop it could bring.

Unless you can define what you are talking about i might add you to ignore as to not waste time on reading that kind of lazy drive-by ill-tought posts instead of fine walls of text like Gustoo just provided the forums with.

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tradesonred - yeah it is fun to try to kill twinks. Bagging isn't a problem tho if twinks start bagging everyone can start laughing. The most important subforum of this board doesn't exist which is "shameful pvp" which should be lots of screen shots of ogre PK's becoming progressively more naked as they flee through faydark.

I dunno, for me i dont care. I would probably have fun trying to recreate a bad martigan type SK. Shiiiiit were old i cant even link an article about who bad martigan is, disappeared off the internet. SK troll on Sullon or Rallos who would run around butt naked and rack up kills. I bet half the forums dont know who Mad Martigan is either.

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats why reputation of being a PK vs Anti PK mattered on rallos zek and never happened on Red 1.0. It isn't just because the "meta" is different now. It is because on rallos zek you wanted to know who you could trust to wear decent armor around, and you always kept track of the people who you couldn't, forever.

Id totally main an anti-pk on an anti-pk guild on 2.0 with item loot, helping newbs etc... and yeah i had a pen and piece of paper next to me so i could write down the name of guilds and players who engaged me. I fell in quite easily within the anti-pk style of play because i like to pvp and after a week you had a list long like your arm of guilds and players you could KoS so youd never run out of pvp targets.

Its also why i like FFA more than teams, its organic. Guilds can be shuffled, alliances made etc... on teams if a team starts getting overwhelming advantage, server is done, unless you theorycraft the shit out of how youre going to prevent that prior to lauching the server.

[reebz]

Uhhh i played since classic? Xp loss on pvp death wasn't great but it made for fun memories deleveling AFK players or killing nakeds on CR