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[Tunabros]

vanquish members are literal sheep

while riot members are just coping at this point

[Pyrrhica]

Dumb fucking thread. Riot is alive and well despite what RnF shitters would have you believe. Fun LTK btw. Thanks for the gloves, Riot!

[Naethyn]

I personally think there is a big difference between deleting a few pixel files out of your game folder so you can see what a mob is carrying and willing scripting a race that you are almost guaranteed to win wasting hundreds of hours of everyone's time and then teaching your subordinates how to do it also.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally think there is a big difference between deleting a few pixel files out of your game folder so you can see what a mob is carrying and willing scripting a race that you are almost guaranteed to win wasting hundreds of hours of everyone's time and then teaching your subordinates how to do it also.

Yeah I mean I don’t agree with either of those actions but do agree that the latter is significantly worse

[eisley]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally think there is a big difference between deleting a few pixel files out of your game folder so you can see what a mob is carrying and willing scripting a race that you are almost guaranteed to win wasting hundreds of hours of everyone's time and then teaching your subordinates how to do it also.

This is such a fantastical accusation though, you'd think there would be proof. I did attend Vanquish training sessions, and what Stunningly taught us is how to be better at races. Naethyn, I know you are an excellent player. We played together for years and I have the utmost respect for you. Surely you must know that 1) scripting entires races is impossible for about ten reasons and 2) scripting jumps off the line, even at best, are a 50-100ms part of a 90,000ms race in the case of Statue. You also know being in the lead is not necessarily an advantage. Losing to stuns is rough.

We need to revert all changes since 2016. Unroot dragons. Bring back recharging and clickies. Bring back FTE races and 30+ min lockouts. Riot and Vanquish would disband immediately, and smaller, more efficient guilds would farm now that the zerg meta is dead. More competition, more loot, more fun for all involved.

Something hit me the other day, when we were surprised and happy to beat Tunare with 'only' 70. I looked back at my old logs and realized 70 is the second MOST I've ever killed Tunare with. That's a shame. Forcing us to zerg has had nothing but negative affects.

[Naethyn]

It reminds of Age2 when after waiting forever to get a lobby going, some kid starts spawning cobra cars and shooting everyone. Except here we are waiting a week for that lobby to join and half a day for it to start. Eventually your competition loses interest, because its just a complete waste of time for everyone involved.

Cheating"isn't bending the rules, or game mechanics to see what a mob is carrying, or introducing a new idea. Cheating is wasting everyone's time by using impossible to beat bot programs and thereby ruining the meta. This same group was pixel detecting coth's before that. Thats why we started racing instead of coth. It didn't even start with races. Now that races are gone, because this same person continues to cheat, we find ourselves here. The only real solution is to stop associating with known cheaters, even if they are a "leader."

[Synphul]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally think there is a big difference between deleting a few pixel files out of your game folder so you can see what a mob is carrying and willing scripting a race that you are almost guaranteed to win wasting hundreds of hours of everyone's time and then teaching your subordinates how to do it also.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I mean I don’t agree with either of those actions but do agree that the latter is significantly worse

But that's exactly what I'm talking about, it's a matter of degrees that leads to escalation from the other side! BOTH are against the spirit of rules/server rules and shouldn't be happening. They have been clear that they do not want us modifying the client and using 3rd programs to trivialize content or competition, so be adults and knock it off, because it just pushes to other side to do something more egregious. Stop trying to rationalize one form of cheating being 'better' than the other because that's not how it works. The degree of cheating should only matter to the GM's when they decide a punishment.

It's easy to ask yourself one question before doing anything like that. Would I be willing to send a message to a GM right now, before I do it, and tell them what I'm about to do? If not, then you probably shouldn't do it.

How is this lost on this community?!?!?!

[Bardp1999]

Anyone who has been raiding here continuously since 2009 is in no position to tell people what normal behavior is

[eisley]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who has been raiding here continuously since 2009 is in no position to tell people what normal behavior is

I agree. Presumably you aren't talking about me though, as this does not describe me at all. I raided Vanilla for a few months, Kunark for about 6 months, Velious for about 16 months.

[Tunabros]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who has been raiding here continuously since 2009 is in no position to tell people what normal behavior is