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Old 02-27-2022, 12:16 AM
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There must be old recordings that show him practicing these runs on a private server, which could be uploaded for public viewing to substantiate these claims.



If the player was willing to cheat in order to gain an "inconsequential" advantage, it follows then that they would also be using the same or similar method throughout the race wherever possible to secure FTE, otherwise the risk wouldn't be worth the reward. If someone has already committed to breaking the rules, risking everything, they will benefit from doing so as much as possible, which seems to be the case overall with just how many FTEs were had. Who knows though? A few less FTEs here and there, and maybe nobody would have suspected anything.



More questionable now than impressive. Another video focusing on this portion of the race would have been great, but unlikely now that it isn't necessary given the change.
Also the guy who wrote that comment’s argument is essentially “yeah we cheated but it only gives us a slight advantage so people shouldn’t be upset about it”

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Old 02-27-2022, 12:45 AM
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If the player was willing to cheat in order to gain an "inconsequential" advantage, it follows then that they would also be using the same or similar method throughout the race wherever possible to secure FTE, otherwise the risk wouldn't be worth the reward. If someone has already committed to breaking the rules, risking everything, they will benefit from doing so as much as possible, which seems to be the case overall with just how many FTEs were had. Who knows though? A few less FTEs here and there, and maybe nobody would have suspected anything.
To be clear, are you suggesting he is scripting the *entire* race? On a race where you are frequently stunned, dodge roamers, and juke stutter step, and have to macro target the end to wand Statue? I don't want to put words in your mouth.

I'm sure there's videos of the practice server races. I spent a few hours racing him and others myself personally. He didn't win an overwhelming amount of times. I even won once and I hadn't played in 4 years. Not only that, but Venice ended up beating him for all-time best time (87 sec?).

If you've spent time practicing the Statue race, you know it's won or lost on the two rocks, and the turns. The faster you turn, the faster you're back to strafing. So swinging the mouse instantly into the *right position* is essential. Not only that, people who mess up the rocks, or Levitating to the ledge aren't even competitive. There's so many other things you can mess up too, like being Not An Ogre (grats on stuns), DA'ing thru Vindi then not clicking it off to Wand Statue, not running 60fps and failing to Levitate the arena ledge, not strafing properly (this is #1 reason), not macro targetting statue, or failing the door opening, and probably like 10 other things I'm forgetting.

Chooch's Youtube shows a lot of old Awakened FTE races. You'll notice that I (Chocomao) start in the lead pretty often. This is because my roommate (Yumyum) was our primary facetracker, and so I'd hear him screaming right next to me, instead of having to wait for screenshare lag or someone in voice chat. You can even see Chooch's slowing to LET me get in the lead sometimes. Despite this, I didn't get many FTE's. Being in the lead wasn't an advantage for anything other than Eashen, Ikatiar, Aary, etc. So yeah, I got a lot of those, but I only ever got one Vulak, and one or two triplets or doubles. I even ended up switching to Bard to do first group DA because I was almost guaranteed to be in the lead up until around PoM zone-in, but this allowed the rest of the group to save idols, and 2nd bard DA to hold off until my idol was about to drop, which allowed us to dominate the deep dragons. Hell, we even had Yumyum target the Vulak drake roamer on the tracker so we could spam /assist Loststalker as approaching Vulak and use Slowstone Ambers 250 range, and we nearly got 30 Vulaks in a row. It was a team effort. We practiced. We worked as a team. It paid off.

Point is, there's a lot more to FTE races than the jump off the line. It's so reductive that I'm surprised people are so up in arms over this. When examining race videos back when I was very active, we didn't even really put much thought into the jump off the line. Statue is a 90 sec race, ToV goes beyond 2 minute races. (well, used to). 100ms of a 90,000ms race. You can lose 100ms by failing to strafe for half a second.
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Old 02-16-2022, 04:14 PM
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Try DA, that should help you
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Old 02-16-2022, 09:52 PM
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Try DA, that should help you
It's not. This is Blue. Every time one guild has success the competition always makes up weird fantasies for why they lose.
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Old 02-16-2022, 04:23 PM
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You shouldn't be proud of elf-marxism

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Old 02-16-2022, 04:25 PM
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WAit. I thought the logic was CSR has done nothing, therefore we didn't cheat. So, now that CSR did something, what's the conclusion? Communism? holy fuck im lost
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Old 02-16-2022, 04:27 PM
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the CSR banns people when they cheat

no one was banned

I can imagine the Criot spamm and crying/whining 24/7 was hard to bear though, thus the changes
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Old 02-16-2022, 04:29 PM
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the CSR banns people when they cheat

no one was banned

I can imagine the Criot spamm and crying/whining 24/7 was hard to bear though, thus the changes
But. hold on. what you guys are doing right now is not crying/whining?
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Old 02-16-2022, 08:06 PM
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But. hold on. what you guys are doing right now is not crying/whining?
Lmao got ‘em!
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Old 02-17-2022, 01:07 AM
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Riot just cried to their pals Galach/Nilbog so much that they think it's true... Not the dozens and dozens of hours on practice server practicing race times. Repeat nonsense enough times and people start to believe it. Well done.
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