Cheating everywhere, GMs???

[Nibblewitz]

The server does make changes. When Riot couldn’t engage Takish until Vanquish killed Vulak, they squawked and got FTE lockouts changed.

When Riot abused Vulak blocker concessions, we got a concession timer.

Metas change and their corresponding rules need to be reinterpreted.

[Ringi]

Thank you for agreeing to the intent of this thread.

[Nibblewitz]

Originally Posted by Ringi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for agreeing to the intent of this thread.

No, OP tried to petition Stunningly for cheating. GMs didn’t find any evidence, but OP has nothing to show for 2 months of work lol so here we are.

[Nibblewitz]

Need to see someone winning a scripted race before there’s a real concern here.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Nibblewitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Need to see someone winning a scripted race before there’s a real concern here.

this is called moving the goalposts, and is another bad faith rhetorical tactic. all things being equal, the first off the line is going to win the race. the route is easily practiced, and it doesn't take that long to learn how to run it. the advantage gained by scripting the start (which is both undeniably possible, and very easy to do) is the difference. in this line of thinking, to the extent stunningly is doing that then every race he has won could be suspect. more generally, every race is suspect from the outset, because there's not way to verify that the person who won didn't cheat to get the best jump. since we can no longer have any faith in the fairness of the result, the method of the contest should be changed.

bring back coth racing 2022.

[Ringi]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is called moving the goalposts, and is another bad faith rhetorical tactic. all things being equal, the first off the line is going to win the race. the route is easily practiced, and it doesn't take that long to learn how to run it. the advantage gained by scripting the start (which is both undeniably possible, and very easy to do) is the difference. in this line of thinking, to the extent stunningly is doing that then every race he has won could be suspect. more generally, every race is suspect from the outset, because there's not way to verify that the person who won didn't cheat to get the best jump. since we can no longer have any faith in the fairness of the result, the method of the contest should be changed.

bring back coth racing 2022.

He's trying to be a wordsmith and say that Stunningly isnt scripting, or at least thats what I'm taking away from it.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is called moving the goalposts, and is another bad faith rhetorical tactic. all things being equal, the first off the line is going to win the race. the route is easily practiced, and it doesn't take that long to learn how to run it. the advantage gained by scripting the start (which is both undeniably possible, and very easy to do) is the difference. in this line of thinking, to the extent stunningly is doing that then every race he has won could be suspect. more generally, every race is suspect from the outset, because there's not way to verify that the person who won didn't cheat to get the best jump. since we can no longer have any faith in the fairness of the result, the method of the contest should be changed.

bring back coth racing 2022.

Coth racing is removed, because it is WAY more gameable than foot racing.

Foot racing is not perfect, but it's better than NO CSR, (Although that would be fun for a bit). It's vastly better than rotations, and it's the most inclusive option available. And obviously it's possible to set up a script to run forward when a 900+ rolls. What the argument here is, the possibility of running forward via script isn't why your losing the races. I don't believe stunningly is scripting, however I concede to the point about how easy it is to do so.

HOWEVER, THE POINT IVE MADE A THOUSAND TIMES is that the REAL advantage a script has, is if it's a race on spawn. The programs ability to never be distracted is the real advantage.

SO:

ALL RACES NEED TO BE A ROLL OFF

EACH ROLL OFF IS DONE BY A TRUSTED MEMBER/GM. THIS PERSON SHOWS UP. DECIDES WHICH NUMBER SET WILL BE THE WINNER TONIGHT, TYPES IT IN /SAY, AND IMMEDIATELY STARTS TO ROLL.

For instance, person asks if all racers are ready. They say yes. He says "Okay, 5xx Starting rolls"

/random 1000

/random 1000

If the person immediately starts rolling, you are risking losing the race trying to modify your script to roll on X. I.E You skip it completely.

There, there's the solution. Please, implement this and go practice.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Coth racing is removed, because it is WAY more gameable than foot racing.

Foot racing is not perfect, but it's better than NO CSR, (Although that would be fun for a bit). It's vastly better than rotations, and it's the most inclusive option available. And obviously it's possible to set up a script to run forward when a 900+ rolls. What the argument here is, the possibility of running forward via script isn't why your losing the races. I don't believe stunningly is scripting, however I concede to the point about how easy it is to do so.

HOWEVER, THE POINT IVE MADE A THOUSAND TIMES is that the REAL advantage a script has, is if it's a race on spawn. The programs ability to never be distracted is the real advantage.

SO:

ALL RACES NEED TO BE A ROLL OFF

EACH ROLL OFF IS DONE BY A TRUSTED MEMBER/GM. THIS PERSON SHOWS UP. DECIDES WHICH NUMBER SET WILL BE THE WINNER TONIGHT, TYPES IT IN /SAY, AND IMMEDIATELY STARTS TO ROLL.

For instance, person asks if all racers are ready. They say yes. He says "Okay, 5xx Starting rolls"

/random 1000

/random 1000

If the person immediately starts rolling, you are risking losing the race trying to modify your script to roll on X. I.E You skip it completely.

There, there's the solution. Please, implement this and go practice.

Nah, you have equitable solutions instead of free pixels. That's all they really want.

[Ringi]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, you have equitable solutions instead of free pixels. That's all they really want.

So are you saying that if we were to remove the ability to cheat, everyone else would get all the pixels?

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Coth racing is removed, because it is WAY more gameable than foot racing.

Foot racing is not perfect, but it's better than NO CSR, (Although that would be fun for a bit). It's vastly better than rotations, and it's the most inclusive option available. And obviously it's possible to set up a script to run forward when a 900+ rolls. What the argument here is, the possibility of running forward via script isn't why your losing the races. I don't believe stunningly is scripting, however I concede to the point about how easy it is to do so.

HOWEVER, THE POINT IVE MADE A THOUSAND TIMES is that the REAL advantage a script has, is if it's a race on spawn. The programs ability to never be distracted is the real advantage.

SO:

ALL RACES NEED TO BE A ROLL OFF

EACH ROLL OFF IS DONE BY A TRUSTED MEMBER/GM. THIS PERSON SHOWS UP. DECIDES WHICH NUMBER SET WILL BE THE WINNER TONIGHT, TYPES IT IN /SAY, AND IMMEDIATELY STARTS TO ROLL.

For instance, person asks if all racers are ready. They say yes. He says "Okay, 5xx Starting rolls"

/random 1000

/random 1000

If the person immediately starts rolling, you are risking losing the race trying to modify your script to roll on X. I.E You skip it completely.

There, there's the solution. Please, implement this and go practice.

coth racing has a few things in it's favor, imo:

1) to the extent that the coth can also be scripted, the cothee still has to not fumble it once they land and get FTE (granted, this is less relevant now that kael FTE's come with a 5 minute lockout).

2) to the extent coth racing is also suspect, the distribution of winners was spread out more evenly, which suggests a more fair system. If we can't have faith in either coth races or footraces, we might as well choose the one that had the largest variety in individuals who could win it.

3) the barrier to coth racing is much much lower than footracing (which probably goes a long way towards explaining why the distribution of winners is more spread out). to the extent what the devs (and Vanq., at least so they claim) want is a competitive environment, lower barriers of entry to the competition themselves will promote rather than hinder that goal.