Is Seal Team going to wake the sleeper? - Page 7

normal · #1 09-23-2021, 04:08 PM

What is there to gain from blocking other guilds from having a shot at warder loot? If there is nothing to gain, then that's definitely a dick move by Seal Team.

DeathsSilkyMist · #2 09-23-2021, 04:09 PM

Let me make one final attempt.

If you believe it is a dick move to wake the Sleeper, then you must also believe it is a dick move for the Dev's to remove legacy items like Manastone from the drop table. In both cases, items are being removed at no gain to the party removing said items.

Think of Sleeper like a player-controlled legacy item removal, rather than a dev-controlled legacy item removal. There is literally no difference besides which party flips the switch.

Also, by keeping the Sleeper sleeping, you are denying people the essence lens quest for no gain. So even under your own logic, it doesn't make sense to call waking the Sleeper a "dick move". My Shaman doesn't want anything from the Warders. The Essence Lens quest is much more useful to my Shaman than anything Warders drop. So you are denying me the Essence Lens quest so you can get your Warder loot.

Now, there are obviously "dickish" ways to wake the Sleeper, like waking him just for fun, without even trying to fight him. I would agree that would be kind of a dick move, because there are plenty of people on this server who want to be part of the Sleeper fight.

normal · #3 09-23-2021, 04:23 PM

It's about intention, my friend.

DeathsSilkyMist · #4 09-23-2021, 04:30 PM

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It's about intention, my friend.

Yup. The Dev's intention to remove legacy items is to keep P99 as classic as possible.

The Dev's intention to allow the Sleeper to be awoken is to remove legacy items to keep P99 as classic as possible.

Same intent. The only difference is the Dev's actually give player's control over when to remove the items, rather than the standard fixed date within the patch timeline. I honestly think that is a pretty cool idea, it gives the player's on the server some say as to when we should remove specific legacy items from the drop table.

Now, you may be asking "What right does Seal Team have to decide this for the entire server"? That is simple, they are the best raiding guild on the server. They have spent more time successfully raiding than anyone else, so they certainly do have more of a say in this matter than other players. If you put in the time, you get the benefits.

Rader · #5 09-25-2021, 10:37 PM

Loramin is right. It is a dick move to wake the Sleeper. You can all play grab @$$ all you want but that does not deny the truth.

Ooloo · #6 09-23-2021, 05:59 PM

Yeah I fundamentally agree with that. Still, why tell people ahead of time your intention is to wake the sleeper as soon as any other guild threatens you? It's just such a demoralizing blow to any other guild. Why not just not tell anyone and then do it when you detect competition is imminent? Seems needlessly hostile. I agree they have every right to wake the sleeper and cut off those legacy warder drops, but why *tell* people that's what they intend to do? This is just a question of the ethics and integrity of the top guild on the server, which itself is a very classic topic to discuss.

DeathsSilkyMist · #7 09-23-2021, 06:13 PM

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Yeah I fundamentally agree with that. Still, why tell people ahead of time your intention is to wake the sleeper as soon as any other guild threatens you? It's just such a demoralizing blow to any other guild. Why not just not tell anyone and then do it when you detect competition is imminent? Seems needlessly hostile. I agree they have every right to wake the sleeper and cut off those legacy warder drops, but why *tell* people that's what they intend to do? This is just a question of the ethics and integrity of the top guild on the server, which itself is a very classic topic to discuss.

In my opinion, I would rather know they are planning on killing Sleeper, and a rough timeline. Then if you really want Warder loot, you know your time is limited. Also, it gives people the opportunity to plan watching the event, or being on the server when it happens.

It is honestly the best strategy for Sleeper. Once a second guild can contest Sleeper, you force the hand of the top guild, because they want to be the ones to wake Sleeper and do the fight. Otherwise, the second guild could catch you off-guard and wake Sleeper instead.

A stealth kill is the worse of the two options in my opinion, because less people get to be a part of the Sleeper event. That would be more "dickish" than the alternative.

Jibartik · #8 09-23-2021, 06:23 PM

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Still, why tell people ahead of time your intention is to wake the sleeper as soon as any other guild threatens you?

Albanwr · #9 09-23-2021, 06:44 PM

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Yeah I fundamentally agree with that. Still, why tell people ahead of time your intention is to wake the sleeper as soon as any other guild threatens you?

Well that shouldn't even need to be said, it should be the obvious move and quite expected.

ClephNote · #10 09-23-2021, 08:25 PM

What if the entire point of P99 is seeing if a community is able to keep the sleeper sleeping? That’s why they tried Blue, Red, now Green. Because there isn’t a single other server that has a sleeping sleeper, right?

In this scenario, Rogbog are basically Willy Wonka and we all have golden tickets.