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[Jibartik]

At this point, there is no turning around.

I supported the decision when trump said to do it, and I supported it when biden did.

But when I saw those pictures of the kids going to school today, hoping that they were going to be able to maintain that way of life...

And I know full well they are about to be characters in a much more horrific handmaids tale than the handmaids tale...

Im sorry but I think we should at least get an answer as to why we didnt have a contingancy plan to get these people out

And if the answer is the president saying "because trump" then I am going to lose it.

This, good decision or bad, is going the worst it could possibly go and man, so I ask, can we do ANYTHING right??!

[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At this point, there is no turning around.

I supported the decision when trump said to do it, and I supported it when biden did.

But when I saw those pictures of the kids going to school today, hoping that they were going to be able to maintain that way of life...

And I know full well they are about to be characters in a much more horrific handmaids tale than the handmaids tale...

Im sorry but I think we should at least get an answer as to why we didnt have a contingancy plan to get these people out

And if the answer is the president saying "because trump" then I am going to lose it.

This, good decision or bad, is going the worst it could possibly go and man, so I ask, can we do ANYTHING right??!

i dont think he's going to be able to say "becuz trump", i linked the speech where he gives his definitive view and it doesnt involve trump except for the peace deal, which was a good deal which is why biden honored it. Where did you get this becuz trump narrative from? He thought it was such a good deal that he was unwilling to leave US forces beyond its deadlines. He wasn't dissing Trump. i think you are fighting a meme reflecting around inside your head and can only talk about 1 or 2 things when "the president" comes up. Schitzo style

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by imperiouskitten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it doesnt involve trump except for the peace deal, which was a good deal which is why biden honored it.

"When I came into office, I inherited a deal that President Trump negotiated with the Taliban.

The choice I had to make as your president was either to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season. There would have been no cease-fire after May 1. There was no agreement protecting our forces after May 1. There was no status quo of stability without American casualties after May 1. There was only the cold reality of either following through on the agreement to withdraw our forces or escalating the conflict and sending thousands more American troops back into combat in Afghanistan, and lurching into the third decade of conflict."

He specifically said he was forced into this decision by trump or there would ahve been a conflict.

He blamed trump.

Let alone the only thing that we all can agree is "wrong" currently in afganastan, is that it's a shit show.. not that we shouldnt be leaving..

And the only thing Biden could have done? Was ensure that it wasnt a shit show and that people could leave safely best or worse case scenario.

So unfortunately Biden is at fault here of the current evacuation, and in the above quote he is I think, very clearly trying to deflect blame onto trump.

[Thorgrimm]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At this point, there is no turning around.

I supported the decision when trump said to do it, and I supported it when biden did.

But when I saw those pictures of the kids going to school today, hoping that they were going to be able to maintain that way of life...

And I know full well they are about to be characters in a much more horrific handmaids tale than the handmaids tale...

Im sorry but I think we should at least get an answer as to why we didnt have a contingancy plan to get these people out

And if the answer is the president saying "because trump" then I am going to lose it.

This, good decision or bad, is going the worst it could possibly go and man, so I ask, can we do ANYTHING right??!

I don't think anyone opposed ending a major US presence in Afghanistan and the war

We still have troops in South Korea (30 Thousand) for example and there isn't a war there raging. It's a deterrence. The same philosophy applied to Afghanistan. American Air Power and Intelligence was still going to be used as a deterrence (Soleimani) and during negotiations with The Trump Administration when The Taliban rattled their sabers and tested him, they were crushed.

Biden just let it all fall apart. Didn't listen to his advisors who had been warning him this would happen for months because he changed the conditions of the initial agreement. It's all on him. Period.

He even pulled out contractors who serviced American Air Power and our aircraft were just keeping hangers warm while The Taliban advanced unimpeded. He also stopped funding the Afghan Military, who hadn't been getting supplied by the Afghan Government or even paid for months.

He bungled this badly and looks like an incompetent fool on the world stage. I guess "The buck stops here" was just another shallow campaign commercial from a corrupt politician

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Thorgrimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think anyone opposed ending a major US presence in Afghanistan and the war

We still have troops in South Korea (30 Thousand) for example and there isn't a war there raging. It's a deterrence. The same philosophy applied to Afghanistan. American Air Power and Intelligence was still going to be used as a deterrence (Soleimani) and during negotiations with The Trump Administration when The Taliban rattled their sabers and tested him, they were crushed.

You're forgetting one very important detail.

South Korea has economic value to us. Afghanistan has nothing (unless the CIA is still trying to flood our bottom feeders with heroin).

Remember when the US had a major heroin epidemic in the northeast before covid? What do you think that was fueled by?

[Thorgrimm]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're forgetting one very important detail.

South Korea has economic value to us. Afghanistan has nothing (unless the CIA is still trying to flood our bottom feeders with heroin).

I don't disagree that it's a backwards shithole and we should have never gone there. It's been a graveyard for ending empires for centuries.

[imperiouskitten]

the worst carnage i have seen is at the US occupied airport. Seizing an entire country in 10 days indicates virtually no resistance. It honestly feels better, and like peace.

Nice job handing all that hardware over. I wonder where the region goes from here.

How hard the Taliban crack down is in question. They are showing remarkable discipline right now, but when we leave? I pray they keep it light in a bid for diplomatic clout

[Jibartik]

if i was president I would have had all the Americans hide in closets, then when they least expect it, while they're taking photo's behind all the desks we JUMP OUT AND SHOOT EM!


lol jk but imagine if that happened lol

[imperiouskitten]

i mean we could redeploy and massacre them while they were out. except defending pride in this case would be totally psychopathic. God bless Biden for holding firm.

[imperiouskitten]

lol you are nuts. he abided by the agreement. Trump obviously is not to blame for the reality of it being the 3rd decade of war at this point. You do not know how to read. It was merely setting up the factual basis for his decisions. You are imagining the anti-Trump thing in there because you are crazy obsessed