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Old 08-08-2021, 11:43 PM
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Yes. There are ~75K medical professionals with doctorate degrees and/or MDs in the US and Western Europe alone in specialties specific to this case. Virology, epidemiology, etc. They've all been bought and paid for. All of them. And that doesn't count all the hospital workers, nurses, and other professionals with certificates in pulmonology or respiratory therapy, or the related fields, as well as all the academics in the institutions that teach them. Now, let's include the PharmDs and all the people that train and teach them. They're all bought and paid for by big pharma?

Jesus fucking christ you're a moron.
Who said all of them? You're putting words in his mouth. Let's compromise: *some* of them.

Also covid is not very dangerous if you get it you have an overwhelmingly high probability of surviving, and long term side effects are exceedingly rare by all available current data. If you're not willing to act this way about the standard seasonal flu, which also kills people, you're being totally inconsistent.

I can respect somebody who says "Yes, we SHOULD do the same things for the flu" because at least you're being consistent. Absolutely zero people have had a good answer to this basic question.
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Old 08-08-2021, 11:55 PM
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:03 AM
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Also covid is not very dangerous if you get it you have an overwhelmingly high probability of surviving
Thanks, in part, to the hospital system they are burdening by not getting a simple effective vaccine.

Our closest hospital has over 100 beds, but a max capacity of ~30 something for critical patients because they can't find people who want to work in this shit show. They've been on drive-by status several times in the last couple of months, and we live in a sane place with high vaccination rates.

Ironically, it's the Trumptards from the surrounding counties that are shitting up our beds because their hospitals are full. Want to guess why?

So it's not just about COVID. Do you want to go to the hospital with appendicitis and have the entire ER staff on doubles and the surgeon overworked? And if something goes wrong, do you want to be competing with Jethro for an ICU bed or a ventilator because he was too fucking stupid to get vaccinated?

When the system gets overwhelmed, people die at a higher rate than they do when it is not overwhelmed. Period. It's so easy to understand...
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:07 AM
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Thanks, in part, to the hospital system they are burdening by not getting a simple effective vaccine.

Our closest hospital has over 100 beds, but a max capacity of ~30 something for critical patients because they can't find people who want to work in this shit show. They've been on drive-by status several times in the last couple of months, and we live in a sane place with high vaccination rates.

Ironically, it's the Trumptards from the surrounding counties that are shitting up our beds because their hospitals are full. Want to guess why?

So it's not just about COVID. Do you want to go to the hospital with appendicitis and have the entire ER staff on doubles and the surgeon overworked? And if something goes wrong, do you want to be competing with Jethro for an ICU bed or a ventilator because he was too fucking stupid to get vaccinated?

When the system gets overwhelmed, people die at a higher rate than they do when it is not overwhelmed. Period. It's so easy to understand...
Your posts are all pure nonsense
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:09 AM
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You can’t reason with someone who already believes something unreasonable. They have to come to a rational conclusion on their own; it has to be an epiphany of their own. Any evidence you present that goes against what they think is invalid while anything that seems to “confirm” their beliefs is gospel. It’s a combination of the confirmation bias and a lack of understanding that correlation does not equal causation (which is like the first thing they teach you in any basic statistics/research methods class).
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:40 AM
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If you want find people dying within a day or two of getting their vaccine to be unrelated, that's up to you. The vaccine trials had so few deaths in either group, since they picked young and healthy people, that we can't know anything for sure. But I hope you apply that same rigor to covid cases! After all, according to the CDC 94% of covid 'deaths' have some level of comorbidity, and the CDC is now officially withdrawing the PCR test, which is where all those 'cases' came from.



I am not wheezing at the emergency room - in fact I have not been to the ER in decades. I am feeling just fine as I type this on my computer. Go outside. There are no bodies. The terror is only on TV. You don't have to live like this.


First, you KNOW that I am not a 'Trumptard'. I got off the Trump bandwagon at least two years ago. Quite frankly anyone who is still on is not paying attention: Trump developed these lethal vaccines. Those 100K deaths are on him as much as Biden. He also scammed $250 million out of his supporters to 'contest the election' which he is just keeping. Second, I do not value expertise because it is easily purchased. The pharmaceutical companies control where research dollars go, so the scientists line up to give them whatever results they want. In fact the more I learn the lower my opinion of human expertise goes.

You desperately need to watch the original video. Your mind is under attack by the mass media. All you have to do is let go of the panic and look at things logically. 0.25% death rate under 65. Lower if you are not obese. Come back to reality, pal. Let facebook and twitter and CNN go.
Doesn't trust vaccine researchers, scientists, or epidemiologists but trust some youtube video or blog that is telling you to not trust the media/experts? Anything else i’m missing? Any credible sources you have at all or nah?
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:47 AM
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I saw a guy on the internet that said “if you show people the facts they’ll adapt their position”. I linked him three studies which evidenced that this isn’t really the case due to selection bias and he replies that he thought the studies were flawed and maintained people change their mind when shown the facts.

I’m being hit by covid bureaucracy. I’m in Athens and am shortly returning to UK if the fires don’t interrupt air travel.

I’m double vaxed, but I still need to have a test before travelling and book a second test to be taken after travelling, both the first test and booking of second test need to be evidenced on a passenger locator form.

Although cases are still up in UK hospitalisation is way down, so thats good. Emergency department I visited in Athens was practically empty - the greeks all go to their family summer houses away from the city in August.

Was pretty scary weaving through the fires to get back from our own summer getaway in the island Evia (you may have seen the video of the people escaping the town fire at Limni by ferry which was used to falsely claim the entire island was on fire).

Vaccine seems to be doing it’s job of protecting vulnerable from getting super ill though not as good at preventing transmission as hoped.

People seem bored of covid - I’ve always been a fan of the basic hygiene of frequent hand washing, personal space, catching/binning/killing coughs and sneezes, would take the flu shot if it were available to me, but people seem to have stopped caring about these things.

Except for the bureaucracy, and some mask wearing (which being a clean freak I always admired in eastern nations) regular Joe seems back to normal.
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Old 08-09-2021, 03:55 AM
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Old 08-09-2021, 09:16 AM
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Doesn't trust vaccine researchers, scientists, or epidemiologists but trust some youtube video or blog that is telling you to not trust the media/experts? Anything else i’m missing? Any credible sources you have at all or nah?
In the absence of religion, people are looking for new nonsense to cling onto to bring meaning into their life. The new religion has become disbelieving reality, against all evidence.

That being said the government has done a terrible job of communicating the vaccine's effectiveness in the real world. It's definitely not 94% effective in stopping transmission as professed by lab tests. However it does seem to have a very high effectiveness in reducing hospitalization and death (probably 95-99%).
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Old 08-09-2021, 09:51 AM
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