Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[condap99]

I'm not going to watch and rewatch fraps over a train that didn't prevent an attempt. Riot/Kittens had an attempt, and they shit the bed. R/K could have won Vulak right then and there. They were in control of their own destiny. And they wiped faster than any vulak I can recall.

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also............

Why are we not racing for vulak with lockouts? LMAO. I can't believe people would rather deal with shit like this every single time there is a competitive Vulak... because Hurrrrr MaRiO KaRt???

Yeah racing wasn't classic. Neither was having two forces with 100 members each squaring off for a rooted Vulak every week. How many man hours have been spent on this petition by all three guilds + the forums looking at this shit... when it could have been settled in a 3 minute race?

This. Why you people want to compete after cothing up 100 people, stand on each others nuts, then play this fraps dissection lawyerquesting game is beyond me. Race, lock out, and move on.

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by condap99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not going to watch and rewatch fraps over a train that didn't prevent an attempt. Riot/Kittens had an attempt, and they shit the bed. R/K could have won Vulak right then and there. They were in control of their own destiny. And they wiped faster than any vulak I can recall.



This. Why you people want to compete after cothing up 100 people, stand on each others nuts, then play this fraps dissection lawyerquesting game is beyond me. Race, lock out, and move on.

The server rule is that if you train a guild you concede. You don't contest until they rush an engage.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The server rule is that if you train a guild you concede. You don't contest until they rush an engage.

Riot has in a number of instances argued that allowing the other guild to recover and get a shot at the mob is adequate compensation... Although you guys only seen to make that argument when you're the one who caused the train. In this instance, we didn't, and still don't have conclusive evidence Klaz caused the train, so we did not concede. Riot was able to recover and engage Vulak, and if you rushedthat is on you because we didn't even engage it until like 30 mins after your wipe. The train, regardless of who caused it, did not effect the outcome of who killed Vulak. You guys are just using it as an excuse to try to get free Vulaks because you can't win them competitively. Sad.

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Riot has in a number of instances argued that allowing the other guild to recover and get a shot at the mob is adequate compensation... Although you guys only seen to make that argument when you're the one who caused the train. In this instance, we didn't, and still don't have conclusive evidence Klaz caused the train, so we did not concede. Riot was able to recover and engage Vulak, and if you rushedthat is on you because we didn't even engage it until like 30 mins after your wipe. The train, regardless of who caused it, did not effect the outcome of who killed Vulak. You guys are just using it as an excuse to try to get free Vulaks because you can't win them competitively. Sad.

Blah blah blah... You guys couldn't win competitive Dozekars because of one measly ToV trash add that you couldn't off tank. Even with our server hero Detoxx at the helm, leader of champions. Sad

I'm ready to take bets on when this will end. We should just wager targets at this point. Class wars for best players, tiered. More completed tasks via that class are the amount you can wager. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Riot has in a number of instances argued that allowing the other guild to recover and get a shot at the mob is adequate compensation... Although you guys only seen to make that argument when you're the one who caused the train. In this instance, we didn't, and still don't have conclusive evidence Klaz caused the train, so we did not concede. Riot was able to recover and engage Vulak, and if you rushedthat is on you because we didn't even engage it until like 30 mins after your wipe. The train, regardless of who caused it, did not effect the outcome of who killed Vulak. You guys are just using it as an excuse to try to get free Vulaks because you can't win them competitively. Sad.

Except Riot wasn't afforded a free shot. We just happened to recover faster.

Though I agree, the whole 'free shot' thing being a thing is stupid. It's not a concession per the rules

[Awweshux]

Seems clear that what happened is:

1) Klaz runs up ramp and FD; probably was "oh shit" seeing R camped there but FD land so ok

2) Riot ppl are at edge of ramp

3) As clearly stated in the fraps, R ppl did not cycle camp

4) Fraps shows R ppl too close to edge of ramp so in danger of aggro FD'd train

5) Once R ppl get aggro, merbs AoE and break Klaz FD; he tries to FD again but dies w/ R


That is all.

Eschew Obfuscation, 60 Dru

[Samoht]

Question: What class is Hoyi? And if they're not an FD class, what order did they die in?

[zati]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question: What class is Hoyi? And if they're not an FD class, what order did they die in?

He's a wizard. 3-Way was fully reset at some point and social'd with Vulak guards. Meaning someone had to have put Direct aggro into them. Psure he died immediately after Darmai when Klaz flopped among other players that were sitting and freshly cycled.

[tacomagradd]

At 1:51 of that video you can see at least 4 flurries attack 4 different people. Those four people didn't all pull agro after it all reset. They had the train dropped on them from Klaz, who stood up and feigned it back on top of them. If it was just Hoyi, or just Darmai, or a GUID number issue, then I don't see the mobs having 4 different targets.

I don't have any confidence that you are convincible, yet here I am.

[titanshub]

Provide an alternate explanation that fits with known game mechanics and the evidence or just admit it and let's move on.

Darmai is a 60 chanter who just cycled.