Enchanters didn't charm until PoP dire charm AA

[ghost wolves]

Originally Posted by RecondoJoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, when WoW classic launched a couple years ago, why didn’t we see massive player improvements? Shouldn’t we have expected to see players doing things they never did 17 years ago because obviously players 17 years ago were cavemen.

Yet we don’t. I wonder why...

The world record for 1 - 60 in WoW Classic is 36 hours. People were speed running it as soon as it dropped and yes, they were doing PLENTY of things people didn't do 17 years ago. You can watch it on YouTube/Twitch. Search for Zeegers.

[RecondoJoe]

Originally Posted by ghost wolves [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The world record for 1 - 60 in WoW Classic is 36 hours. People were speed running it as soon as it dropped and yes, they were doing PLENTY of things people didn't do 17 years ago. You can watch it on YouTube/Twitch. Search for Zeegers.

https://www.furiouspaul.com/wow/

This is nothing new and was happening when WoW was BRAND NEW

I remember that was one of the biggest complaints about WoW... people who played eq leveled to 60 in a week or two and then there was nothing to do...the end game wasn’t even in the game at launch

[starkind]

140 damage triple attacks and stuns and intereupts x 3 mobs

Is 1,260 damage you aren't channeling through like 9 hits in two seconds.

Clicking GCD reset doesn't save u. Getting an aoe stun may buy u an AoE mez that might resist or allow you to gate.

Brad Bless. <3

[starkind]

Amygdalan warrior
Damage per hit: 38 - 144

Imo mobs hit harder, and clothies got facewrecked way harder than what's in most data grabs and most people's logs. Especially before luclin.

I remember two combat revamps, and being absolutely wreck by mage pets, but after one of the revamps, even tho pets still hit pretty hard my sk could take on a blue pet, but it took everything.

[bwe]

If you look at an MRI from an enchanter player in 1999 you'll see that their brain is about half as big as an enchanter player in 2021

[ghost wolves]

Most '99 enchanters got charm at 12, tried it, charm broke in like 30 seconds because it was too high a mob / they had terrible charisma so they never touched it again.

They didn't even think about charm soloing as an option because whose gonna save them when charm breaks? They didn't know about GCD clickies. Plus everyone wanted them in groups anyway, so why bother?

It's really not hard to figure out why charm wasn't a thing in an era where people turned using the keyboard, couldn't see full screen, were on 28.8 modems that would disconnect, actually used the /roleplay tag seriously, had no wiki to consolidate information, were unaware of GCD clicky items, printed out zone maps, and thought hybrids were the best classes in the game.

[bwe]

Originally Posted by ghost wolves [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most '99 enchanters got charm at 12, tried it, charm broke in like 30 seconds because it was too high a mob / they had terrible charisma so they never touched it again.

They didn't even think about charm soloing as an option because whose gonna save them when charm breaks? They didn't know about GCD clickies. Plus everyone wanted them in groups anyway, so why bother?

It's really not hard to figure out why charm wasn't a thing in an era where people turned using the keyboard, couldn't see full screen, were on 28.8 modems that would disconnect, actually used the /roleplay tag seriously, had no wiki to consolidate information, were unaware of GCD clicky items, printed out zone maps, and thought hybrids were the best classes in the game.

Look at this guy's full sized brain, nothing like those morons in 1999

[ghost wolves]

Originally Posted by bwe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at this guy's full sized brain, nothing like those morons in 1999

I was one of the morons in '99. Everyone was running around roleplaying, fishing and dying. It was the closest thing to "Brad's Vision" of a 3D MUD before it slowly turned into "levels and loot - fuck the rest". Were you?

Fires of Heaven were the elite on my server (Veeshan) and they weren't charm soloing. If you want you can go ask them.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by ghost wolves [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was one of the morons in '99. Everyone was running around roleplaying, fishing and dying. It was the closest thing to "Brad's Vision" of a 3D MUD before it slowly turned into "levels and loot - fuck the rest". Were you?

Fires of Heaven were the elite on my server (Veeshan) and they weren't charm soloing. If you want you can go ask them.

I think the point people are making is there are plenty of actual and logical reasons for why people weren't charm soloing as rampantly (although people were doing it just not as much as they are today). Mainly due to simple knowledge/lack of awareness of it's power/lack of awareness of how Charm works (e.g. CHA, MR, and mob level difference all being the saving rolls (the last one being the huge difference maker as people used to want Enchs to charm the highest level pet possible and had no idea that level difference affected Charm break chance)), as well as technical limitations with both the Internet and peoples' computers, etc.

That doesn't mean there's anything broken with Charm on P99.

It's like saying that because people didn't farm X item nonstop on live, or because people didn't camp Y spot for exp all the time on live, that there must be something incorrect/non-classic about the item/camp on P99. It's a totally snonsensical and BS argument lol.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by ghost wolves [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was one of the morons in '99. Everyone was running around roleplaying, fishing and dying. It was the closest thing to "Brad's Vision" of a 3D MUD before it slowly turned into "levels and loot - fuck the rest". Were you?

Fires of Heaven were the elite on my server (Veeshan) and they weren't charm soloing. If you want you can go ask them.

u realy think Foh qualify as elite players? most of them where caught gettin gms help on kills on vp and velious.

the same ones crying aow could not be killed (wich did happen because u know frozen moses).

The same ones wich went agaisnt a anti eu rant and crying all Na players should quit Eq because they lost the race on quarm?.