Anyone watch the Chauvin trial today?

[Jibartik]

dont click this link if you cant handle police shootings

If it's ok to deal with the above in the manner these officers dealt with it, then you're going to break eggs.

This woman didn't even pick up the knife and she was blasted 5 times.

It's not a bad apple, it. is. the. entire. system.

With a system like this, occasionally the training (that the defense clearly shown Chauvin partook in) will result in the death of someone.

We need to stop pretending that the only time that someone dies is because 1 racist cop and if we bag and tag em the system will be fine.

This isnt racism, it's a terrible law enforcement system.

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(at this moment the mentally I'll woman is bleeding out choking on the street)

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dont click this link if you cant handle police shootings

If it's ok to deal with the above in the manner these officers dealt with it, then you're going to break eggs.

This woman didn't even pick up the knife and she was blasted 5 times.

It's not a bad apple, it. is. the. entire. system.

With a system like this, occasionally the training (that the defense clearly shown Chauvin partook in) will result in the death of someone.

We need to stop pretending that the only time that someone dies is because 1 racist cop and if we bag and tag em the system will be fine.

This isnt racism, it's a terrible law enforcement system.

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(at this moment the mentally I'll woman is bleeding out choking on the street)

wtf are you talking about

the woman came out of the house wielding it and stabbed the female officer

play stupid games win stupid prizes

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wtf are you talking about

the woman came out of the house wielding it and stabbed the female officer

play stupid games win stupid prizes

She dropped the knife, yes I know when you have 2 officers holding pistols while she stands there the only option seems like to shoot.

But that is because the steps the officers chose resulted in that being the only option.

Besides, it is irrelevant if you think its justifiable or not, because if these are the steps we take, then like I said: You're going to break eggs.

If you dont like breaking eggs then its time to stop listening to Toxigen when it comes to best practices for law enforcement.

"have mental illness or anxiety- get killed by police" is what your little play stupid games phrase should be.

[-TK-]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

She dropped the knife, yes I know when you have 2 officers holding pistols while she stands there the only option seems like to shoot.

But that is because the steps the officers chose resulted in that being the only option.

Besides, it is irrelevant if you think its justifiable or not, because if these are the steps we take, then like I said: You're going to break eggs.

If you dont like breaking eggs then its time to stop listening to Toxigen when it comes to best practices for law enforcement.

"have mental illness or anxiety- get killed by police" is what your little play stupid games phrase should be.

Jib, you're really confusing me on this one. Are you saying you would have preferred a mental health/social worker knock on the door and get stabbed instead of the police officer? How would you feel if that officer or health worker got stabbed in the brachial artery (in their arm) and bled out on the sidewalk instead of the aggressor - maybe never realizing how badly they were injured due to the adrenaline? Oh well, part of the job? Good thing the murderer didn't die? Would you be here saying, man, this system works great!?

The life of that first responder is important, too. Policing is difficult work and variables can change quickly. It's not like getting stressed about a lunch rush at McDonalds when you're on the line or having your boss holding a deadline over your head at the office. This was a routine stop by this house to check on a roommate domestic disturbance, btw. The responding officer had no idea that this person had mental health issues as claimed by the mother. I'm willing to bend on some very questionable situations regarding mental health and police where they can at least engage with the subject, but this was not escalated by the police and looks to be a poor example of the bad in the system if you're trying to make the point that we need more mental health professionals in law enforcement and an overall different approach. They had no way of knowing if this person, who already proved to be a threat without provocation, had another knife or a gun so they had to be on the defensive and ready for the next attack. You can in hindsight say, oh well these officers should have..., but this situation could have also gone even more negative for the officers if we're doing 'oh, wells'.

Maybe I'm missing prior context from you. Provide some clarity here for me.

"have mental illness or anxiety- get killed by police" -- Literally no one is saying that as far as I can tell, but most people don't believe a mental illness should be an excuse for deadly behavior, either. I highly doubt those officers went home happy about the way that day went down.

[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jib, you're really confusing me on this one. Are you saying you would have preferred a mental health/social worker knock on the door and get stabbed instead of the police officer? How would you feel if that officer or health worker got stabbed in the brachial artery (in their arm) and bled out on the sidewalk instead of the aggressor - maybe never realizing how badly they were injured due to the adrenaline? Oh well, part of the job? Good thing the murderer didn't die? Would you be here saying, man, this system works great!?

The life of that first responder is important, too. Policing is difficult work and variables can change quickly. It's not like getting stressed about a lunch rush at McDonalds when you're on the line or having your boss holding a deadline over your head at the office. This was a routine stop by this house to check on a roommate domestic disturbance, btw. The responding officer had no idea that this person had mental health issues as claimed by the mother. I'm willing to bend on some very questionable situations regarding mental health and police where they can at least engage with the subject, but this was not escalated by the police and looks to be a poor example of the bad in the system if you're trying to make the point that we need more mental health professionals in law enforcement and an overall different approach. They had no way of knowing if this person, who already proved to be a threat without provocation, had another knife or a gun so they had to be on the defensive and ready for the next attack. You can in hindsight say, oh well these officers should have..., but this situation could have also gone even more negative for the officers if we're doing 'oh, wells'.

Maybe I'm missing prior context from you. Provide some clarity here for me.

"have mental illness or anxiety- get killed by police" -- Literally no one is saying that as far as I can tell, but most people don't believe a mental illness should be an excuse for deadly behavior, either. I highly doubt those officers went home happy about the way that day went down.

Mentally ill people shouldn’t be walking the streets. Nor the obese or the unemployed. Slavery that isn’t racially based needs to make a come back. Athens 2024

[Kaveh]

Dear Canadians, shut the fuck up and buy your F-35s

[Jibartik]

hey lets have the same debate we both have had for 25 years of our lives with people online, but start at square one with each other again.

I have no desire to debate what you think is or isnt better.

I am simply saying: With this system you're going to kill people that dont need to die.

[magnetaress]

It's a well known, and even accepted fact in many circles. That our system of arrest and incarceration leads to uneccessary deaths and excessive injury and trauma.

I agree that it kills people. Sometimes innocent people. Sometimes crazy people who do not get due process and fair constitutional treatment. It disproportionately effects minorities and the poor who are more often living on the margins.

I also think we don't have to always kill these people and that it isn't a moral or ethical position to be ok with the deaths of these guys.

Especially when they deserve a fair and speedy trial. At the least.

[Tentarro]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hey lets have the same debate we both have had for 25 years of our lives with people online, but start at square one with each other again.

I have no desire to debate what you think is or isnt better.

I am simply saying: With this system you're going to kill people that dont need to die.

Easy fix:

Ruling about not having to protect and serve should be overturned, if you go into being a cop and don't understand you will face life or death situations, then hey that's on you.

Force local governments to accept responsibility and pay out damages for the actions of cops.

Bad cops will be fired, good cops will have protection.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Tentarro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Easy fix:

Ruling about not having to protect and serve should be overturned, if you go into being a cop and don't understand you will face life or death situations, then hey that's on you.

Force local governments to accept responsibility and pay out damages for the actions of cops.

Bad cops will be fired, good cops will have protection.

It sure is a good thing the Republicans dealt with these issues when they controlled every branch of the federal government.