New Here, what's up with Raids and Guilds and the drama

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by bomaroast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The raiders on P99 treat this game like its a job. I'm sure it's fun for them, but for the rest of us it definitely decreases the fun in this video game made for children.

The raid scene in this is pretty ridiculous and sad. Most of the fight doesn't come down to can you take down the raid mobs in question, it's can you fight against the other players (who may be doing things like purposefully training you or otherwise griefing you to prevent you from getting the mobs before they do).

The problem is that EverQuest raiding rewards the raiders who have the least amount of lives outside of the game because of things like 8 hour windows and rewards guilds who can zerg the best. It's basically a contest of who can gather the most no-lifers with the most unhealthy pixel lust. But this is probably classic.

[Un4Scene]

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The raid scene in this is pretty ridiculous and sad. Most of the fight doesn't come down to can you take down the raid mobs in question, it's can you fight against the other players (who may be doing things like purposefully training you or otherwise griefing you to prevent you from getting the mobs before they do).

The problem is that EverQuest raiding rewards the raiders who have the least amount of lives outside of the game because of things like 8 hour windows and rewards guilds who can zerg the best. It's basically a contest of who can gather the most no-lifers with the most unhealthy pixel lust. But this is probably classic.

Unfortunately, this is pretty accurate. I can't speak for servers that I didn't use on Live, but on mine, pretty much all raid content was dominated by a single "uber" guild, with a hardcore elitest attitude problem. If another raid force dared to try to take a target that the "uber" guild wanted, then the "ubers" would just KS it, or train them, or whatever was necessary to make sure they got what they wanted. There are some people on Green (one guild in particular) that are following in this same tradition. The GM's essentially stepped in and said "Nope! Not putting up with that shit here. Find another way amongst yourselves, or we'll put new rules in place to force a less toxic environment." Both have happened.

In some cases there are "player agreements" in place to afford a more equitable raiding experience for all. In other cases, the GM's have laid down specific rules that must be followed. It's very complicated. It changes constantly. It's not always enforced appropriately. Long story short, if you wanna get in to raiding on Green, you need to do some research on the guilds, and choose one. Some of them don't do much raiding, some of them do a lot. Some of them are straight-up "zerg" guilds, some of them are more "small-man raid" focused. Some of them sock raid targets indefinitely, some of them don't sock at all. It's on you to find one that works for you.

As of now, the top raiding guilds are Seal Team, Kingdom, Black Lotus, and Venerate. Those are the guilds that seriously try to compete for the contested raid targets. There are a few other guilds that do a little bit of raiding as well: Fires of Heaven, Gathered Might, Calamitous Intent. Also of note, there are a few others that I think are trying to break in to raiding, but haven't quite gotten there yet, such as Safe Space, Dynasty, and Castle.

One other important note: On Green, there exists a guild "UN", with a dedicated Discord server. This is where the agreements and rules are typically worked out. The GM's use it, as well as representatives from the guilds that choose to take part in it (including all of those guilds I listed above). This is where raid petitions are filed (often with both video and log evidence), GM's lay down rules and judgements, and player agreements are discussed and ratified. Naturally, there are a lot of disputes and arguments, but, still, the UN is the beating heart of all raiding on Green.

[radda]

fellow Tunare player here.
I was Divine Crusade during the time keys era

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Also worth noting that just about any/all casual guilds will accept players of any class. Only a few guilds on Green have strict Class recruitment guidelines.

Even then if you get yourself level 55+, show a willingness to consistently attend raids and are not an absolute prick you can certainly find yourself a raid spot in even the topend guilds as a Druid.

It's a very long road to 60 -- play the class you most wanna play.

[apprentice04]

Raiding killed Green for me. I just realized one night that I hadnt had fun playing the game since I started attending raids. Ive been taking a break since like December or something. I almost feel the urge to come back. Maybe next month I'll make it there.

Raiding to me is just a giant carrot on the stick that kills your desire to exist. You never get the carrot by the way.

[Elijah850]

Originally Posted by apprentice04 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raiding killed Green for me. I just realized one night that I hadnt had fun playing the game since I started attending raids. Ive been taking a break since like December or something. I almost feel the urge to come back. Maybe next month I'll make it there.

Raiding to me is just a giant carrot on the stick that kills your desire to exist. You never get the carrot by the way.

Curious which guild made you feel this way. seriously =)

[Fammaden]

Many raid guilds end up being more of a pyramid scheme for the average member.

If you want to raid or to get more gear easily, consider blue. There's a lot more to go around, a lot of even raid stuff will get in your hands that the top DKP earners don't really want as much, and its going to be a lot longer before you find yourself chasing a carrot at the top of the pyramid.

[drackgon]

Imo druids are great pullers. Harmony makes them amazing in hate/fear. And their wolf form allows them to kite for days. Don't have 2 be stuck in normal role of buff spot heal bot. Fte/Pulling/kitting is the true spine of a raid force on p99

[Delekhan]

Raiding on p99 is fundamentally different than it was on live. This is is for a variety of reasons, but that's how it's done here. There are several factions of raiders that have differing visions on how raiding should look on p99 so it's constantly evolving over time. Generally, you have to assimilate the culture here if you want to get involved.

Regarding drama, I don't think it's much different than on live, it's the same dynamic as it always was, just a whole lot more people at the top end vying for the same content than there were in-era in my opinion.

[TripSin]

I would like to apologize for how insulting I've been in some posts. I shouldn't have implied every raider is a maladjusted person with no life outside of the game. You can be a cool person and still raid.