If Free-Speech falls, we're in trouble

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not a terribly good example. Fundamentally little different from the coordinated attacks on Parlor by the usual suspects.



Could you list all the notable people in history who were forever unemployable simply for having the "wrong" opinion on a subject? All the people booted out of school/profession/job due to some joke they made when they were kid? Where fully westernized democratic countries seek to jail/fine people for using the wrong words or simply telling the wrong jokes? Where those same governments compel speech? Where many of the universities in those countries had speech codes?

More idiots on the internet is no metric of free speech.

Freedom of speech is not (and has never been) freedom from consequences of that speech. The only consequences our constitution prohibits are the government retribution kind, but what private citizens do to you as a result of your speech is, and has always been, their freedom to choose.

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Facebook and Twitter are not the government.

You're right, they're more powerful.

[Toxigen]

Whats the difference between a lentil and chickpea?

I've never had a lentil on my face.

[magnetaress]

We're hosed.

But I agree, private platforms and user submitted content should be free from government influences. Should heavily moderate their own platforms. And be liable to civil suites in the case of egregious lies and slander, like the insane lies and claims of Trump. Should not have to respect your rights to say whatever you feel at the moment, and shouldn't encourage knee-jerk heated commentary.

If you want to say crazy shit. Print your own leaflets, host your own webserverver, buy your own megaphone and publish your own blog. And if that blog calls for murder and insurrection. Well, you aught be held accountable for inciting violence.

Don't force others to host your drivel. YouTube isn't beholden to StormFront. Or Alex Jones.

[Gustoo]

Shut down big social media

profit

[magnetaress]

Penal.

[magnetaress]

I don't have a Twitter or Facebook account.

Not my problem.

Do not use my negative tax dollars for Twitter shenanigans. It's against my firmly held religions.

[FatherSioux]

The willful ignorance people display on this topic is astounding. Pretending that we live in the 1930's and people can just start a newspaper.

Web Hosting Services have the power to remove you and your opinions from the internet with zero recourse outside of the free-market.

People did try and start their own Twitter and were ostensibly removed from the internet. So now the choice is to create your own web hosting services that will compete with the big boys. Except these huge tech companies just pay 1500% markup on any and all competitors to squash the free-market.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The willful ignorance people display on this topic is astounding. Pretending that we live in the 1930's and people can just start a newspaper.

Web Hosting Services have the power to remove you and your opinions from the internet with zero recourse outside of the free-market.

People did try and start their own Twitter and were ostensibly removed from the internet. So now the choice is to create your own web hosting services that will compete with the big boys. Except these huge tech companies just pay 1500% markup on any and all competitors to squash the free-market.

Considering my many bans from this very website and how important it is to enable people to say bad things and misuse their speech.

No one. No institution. No religion. Should ever be forced to accept and publish another person's beliefs or speech.

Merit is an important part of getting published and having your opinions, feelings, and beliefs respected. If your speech has no merit, you don't have a right to force anyone, or anything else to repeat it.

You essentially want to enable the government to force Twitter to say things and protect those base screamers that would vandalize Twitter with their calls for violence towards their political opponents.

Thats a big nono in free society and not about free speech.

It costs like $14 a month to host a blog from your home not even on Amazons virtual machines.

No one is stomping on your rights to make mien kampf public.

I could host it from my cellphone in plain txt and even give u a link. Like right now. My speech freedom is fine.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I continue to be amazed at the ability of people to blindly allow people to be silenced and lose their voice under the name of protecting people from "bad/dangerous" ideas. Especially from the generation who grew up in the early internet days when you could find videos and pictures of truly horrific shit and terrible ideas.

It started with Alex Jones and everyone laughed and said yeah well he's crazy so he deserves it. Now look where we are, slippery slope is not a logically fallacy, it's very real and we're living it. The sitting president was silenced and removed from the public square.

When will people realize that Free-Speech is there to protect people from the tyranny of those in power. If we allow the pillar of Free-Speech to fall we are all, including the rest of the globe in for some dark times. Put your feelings aside and embrace the bad ideas.

Do you think the Founding Fathers put the First Amendment first just because or do you think it was because it's the pillar of this whole god-damned thing?


PS: This is not the same as the bakery refusing to bake a cake. There are plenty of bakeries. There are not plenty of Facebooks and Twitters.

I think we should let free speech, and the entirety of the bill of rights fall.

Today's idiot deserves to be ruled, utterly. Sucks that I'm going to have to be there with the rest of you, but the world needs a new dark age at this point; they've forgotten why the rules were put there in the first place.