People who buy money on MMO sales sites.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Gustahn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its a 3rd party profit without consent. Thats illegal.

F2P is legal as its the company itself that makes the transactions, which is more an ethical question based on the model itself. As their model is based around rented items and not producing curreny from thin air.

What if everybody thought that way about walmart?

What if everyone stole from walmart with the thought oh they make millions its ok. Then walmart would cease to make money, the company would go under and welfare of those who worked for it would be in limbo.

The parallel you're making between doing RMT on a live server and stealing from Walmart doesn't really work, at all.

[Neno]

I traded a manastone on the silk road for a full bottle of 30mg adderall.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Neno [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I traded a manastone on the silk road for a full bottle of 30mg adderall.

Nice.

[Harrison]

Lol you think selling your pixels is illegal...I've heard it all now.

[Gustahn]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol you think selling your pixels is illegal...I've heard it all now.

Whether it be pixels, cars, or batteries from walmart....

If you dont own them it is.

[Uthgaard]

A EULA isn't a law. Violating any EULA or TOS isn't illegal, it's a breech of contract, which is a civil tort, and if those weren't such wide gray areas people would have no need for attorneys.

We make efforts to stay legit and on good terms with SOE. P99 isn't in danger anyway, their corporate counsel didn't exactly come from the top of her class.

[PurelyElf]

Why are people allowed to trade/sell characters if it's not for RL cash? That sort of thing is worse for the players than being able to purchase pp. Both should be bannable offenses.

It's sad seeing it happen, especially here on the official forums.

[Phallax]

I think the GMs/Devs here should set up sting operations on said RMT sites and bust the buyers.

[JenJen]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the GMs/Devs here should set up sting operations on said RMT sites and bust the buyers.

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[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the GMs/Devs here should set up sting operations on said RMT sites and bust the buyers.

What makes you think we haven't? The buyers are the easy half anyway. Most RMT occurs as people leave the server. The sellers are usually the ones to walk away. Sometimes, however...

Here's one of my favorites.

[Thu Sep 16 10:23:29 2010] You say, '#gmspeed off'
[Thu Sep 16 10:23:29 2010] Turning GMSpeed Off for Searinox (zone to take effect)
[Thu Sep 16 10:23:33 2010] You say, '#zone ecommons'
[Thu Sep 16 10:23:33 2010] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Thu Sep 16 10:23:47 2010] You have entered East Commonlands.
[Thu Sep 16 10:24:35 2010] You say, '#goto -143 -1664 3'
[Thu Sep 16 10:26:12 2010] Players in EverQuest:
[Thu Sep 16 10:26:12 2010] ---------------------------

[Thu Sep 16 10:26:12 2010] [ANON (6 Enchanter)] Thierry (Human) ZONE: ecommons (USER 0: PID lebronjames23)
[Thu Sep 16 10:26:12 2010] There is 1 player in EverQuest.
[Thu Sep 16 10:28:55 2010] You auction, 'wtb high lvl acct, pst'
[Thu Sep 16 10:30:07 2010] You auction, 'wtb high lvl acct, pst'
[Thu Sep 16 10:30:19 2010] Thierry tells you, 'druid!'
[Thu Sep 16 10:30:24 2010] You told Thierry, 'orly'
[Thu Sep 16 10:30:34 2010] Thierry tells you, '50 druid DE mask,... verm armor'
[Thu Sep 16 10:30:46 2010] You told Thierry, 'wwo de masrk?'
[Thu Sep 16 10:30:54 2010] Thierry tells you, 'aye'
[Thu Sep 16 10:31:10 2010] You told Thierry, 'wut r u looking 4'
[Thu Sep 16 10:31:15 2010] Thierry tells you, 'offer'
[Thu Sep 16 10:31:20 2010] Thierry tells you, 'i really want a 50 enchanter'
[Thu Sep 16 10:32:04 2010] You told Thierry, 'i dont have eny chars here, i want to buy 1 so i can play w my friends'
[Thu Sep 16 10:32:15 2010] Thierry tells you, 'well what are you offering'
[Thu Sep 16 10:32:21 2010] You told Thierry, 'levelling in classic SUX'
[Thu Sep 16 10:32:23 2010] Thierry tells you, 'moxbrownine?'
[Thu Sep 16 10:33:32 2010] You told Thierry, 'hmm druids r pretty good 4 pling, i cud prly make some cash back. iono liek 300 bux?'
[Thu Sep 16 10:34:05 2010] Thierry tells you, 'bah,,, becareful cause Real money trades are grounds for banning on this server'
[Thu Sep 16 10:34:13 2010] You told Thierry, 'orly'
[Thu Sep 16 10:34:14 2010] Thierry tells you, 'im really only looking for pp or trades'
[Thu Sep 16 10:34:45 2010] You told Thierry, 'well that sux. wut is a moxbrownine'
[Thu Sep 16 10:34:57 2010] Thierry tells you, 'nm thought u were someone'
[Thu Sep 16 10:35:54 2010] You told Thierry, 'do u no anyone who does? i want 2 play'
[Thu Sep 16 10:36:03 2010] You told Thierry, 'but i dont have enything 2 trade'
[Thu Sep 16 10:36:22 2010] You auction, 'wtb high lvl acct, pst'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:23 2010] You told Thierry, 'hello'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:26 2010] You auction, 'wtb high lvl acct, pst'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:28 2010] Thierry tells you, 'sup'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:35 2010] You told Thierry, 'do u no anyone who does? i want 2 play'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:38 2010] You told Thierry, 'but i dont have enything 2 trade'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:42 2010] Thierry tells you, 'i dont know... u have aim?'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:55 2010] You told Thierry, 'aim sux. wut about yahoo'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:01 2010] Thierry tells you, 'ok'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:09 2010] Thierry tells you, 'whats your phone number lol'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:19 2010] You told Thierry, 'u do u want that 4'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:27 2010] You told Thierry, 'Y*'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:54 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:55 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:55 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:55 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:55 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:00 2010] You auction, 'wtb high lvl acct, pst'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:19 2010] You shout, 'HEPL TEH GOULZ!'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:23 2010] You yell for help.
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:47 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:47 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:48 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:48 2010] You shout, 'r after mEEEEEEEE'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:56 2010] You yell for help.
[Thu Sep 16 10:41:00 2010] Thierry tells you, 'to talk'
[Thu Sep 16 10:41:03 2010] You yell for help.
[Thu Sep 16 10:41:49 2010] You told Thierry, 'hodl on sum1 trained ghoulz'
[Thu Sep 16 10:41:56 2010] You told Thierry, 'runneing'
[Thu Sep 16 10:43:20 2010] You auction, 'wtb high lvl acct, pst'
[Thu Sep 16 10:44:04 2010] You told Thierry, 'ok i think im safe'
[Thu Sep 16 10:44:11 2010] You told Thierry, 'wut is ur yahoo name'
[Thu Sep 16 10:44:44 2010] You told Thierry, 'i forgot 2 bind wen i got off the baot. that was a close 1'
[Thu Sep 16 10:45:44 2010] Thierry tells you, 'teck531'
[Thu Sep 16 10:45:47 2010] You told Thierry, 'k'
[Thu Sep 16 10:51:40 2010] You say, '#zone butcher'
[Thu Sep 16 10:51:40 2010] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Thu Sep 16 10:51:58 2010] You have entered Butcherblock Mountains.
[Thu Sep 16 10:52:22 2010] You told Thierry, 'god dman it. now im back in bb'

Me: wuts up yo
Penoy: nada
Penoy: 400!
Me: lol no way dood its a druid
Me: lol
Penoy: DE msk!
Penoy: vermiticulated armor!
Me: thats y i said 300 lol
Me: de mask is cool shit tho
Me: il have 2 ask my dad
Penoy: ok
Me: u play eny other games? ive got chars on wow
Penoy: just realize that offering Real money trades can get u banned
Penoy: nah only this
Me: ok ill be carful who i ask thx 4 warneing
Penoy: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3996
Me: fuck sum1 traind me again
Penoy: well let me know soon cause i want to trade for a chanter or tade to u
Me: ok. how much 4 chanter
Me: oh nm u r buying
Penoy: ya
Me: DAMN IT i died in BB 2
Me: fuckin krag chik
Me: ok wel ill tell u wut my dad says, mayb i can find sum1 to trade wow chars
Penoy: if u were to do 300
Me: ya
Penoy: how would u send
Me: u got paypal?
Penoy: ya but perfer western union
Me: wow lol srs bsnz
Penoy: paypal takes like 5% of the money hehe
Me: y western union
Me: oic
Me: i dident no that
Penoy: ya if u send me 300 ..i would probably get 250 or something
Me: jeeze
Penoy: and it takes a while to clear
Me: rly? that sux
Penoy: so
Me: lol he doesnt want 2 let me have 400 im askin pertyplz
Me: how wuld u get the char without takeing it back
Penoy: if u get the eqemu info..on the internet login.. u cant get it back.. u change everything

And as far as the 'sleeper cell/untrackable laundering etc', it doesn't really matter how you do it, it's all going to be obvious as shit. It has been a while since I've done a sweep though, maybe I need to fix that.