Riot praying for raid ban

[alexdoofaz]

Originally Posted by kaizersoze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Without us they wouldn't exist"

What an entitled way to think of people volunteering their time to resolve our issues.

Looks like we found the person who says, as their face is getting slammed into the pavement or brick wall, “I PAY YOUR SALARY WITH MY TAX DOLLARS!!”

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by alexdoofaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a lot of time and effort. We’re lucky they have a presence at all here.

As opposed to the nonstop petitions they get every single week and the constant babysitting they have to do trying to mediate disputes between the guilds? They've already complained that the raid scene eats up way too much of their time. If they just quaked 1x a week and refereed, handing out decisions on the spot, they'd save themselves time and headaches. None of this lawyerquest bullshit. GM sees you train, GM issues you a DQ. It's that simple. The GMs refereeing the raid scene should be handled the same way a ref in a football game or an ump in a baseball game is. I don't know why P99 was ever turned into a courtroom.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know why P99 was ever turned into a courtroom.

When big Rogean stepped back from anything to do with GMing and Sirken took over, he took a much more active role in raid disputes. Back when Rogean dealt with stuff, rules were limited and simple, and you knew if you brought a dispute to him that wasn't iron clad and waste his time, you were going to have a bad time. Sirken on the other hand seemed to enjoy playing referee and trying to engineer a raid scene using more and more rules. With more rules, came more opportunity to lawyer quest.

I've suggested in numerous posts they should just wipe the increasingly byzantine system of rules currently enforced on the server and start from scratch, but thus far it seems the current server staff has decided to build upon what Sirken left behind. I'm not saying the current GMs enjoy it like Sirken seemed to (although he also protested how much he hated it, despite all evidence to the contrary), but you're not going to solve lawyer questing by perpetuating a system where rules are numerous, complex, and unclear.

Disclaimer: This post is not intended as GM bashing, just my observation of how the server rules have changed throughout the life of the server, leading to our current Judge Judy-esque clown show.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've suggested in numerous posts they should just wipe the increasingly byzantine system of rules currently enforced on the server and start from scratch, but thus far it seems the current server staff has decided to build upon what Sirken left behind.

Wait, what? I don't think that is true. If it was, we wouldn't be lawyerquesting and hoping for consequence every cycle.

Sirkens rules are getting blatantly ignored without punishment. Hell, even Rogeans rules.

IE: Mem blurring Vulak and Skipping PoG clear by kiting everything and burning down Tunare.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As opposed to the nonstop petitions they get every single week and the constant babysitting they have to do trying to mediate disputes between the guilds? They've already complained that the raid scene eats up way too much of their time. If they just quaked 1x a week and refereed, handing out decisions on the spot, they'd save themselves time and headaches. None of this lawyerquest bullshit. GM sees you train, GM issues you a DQ. It's that simple. The GMs refereeing the raid scene should be handled the same way a ref in a football game or an ump in a baseball game is. I don't know why P99 was ever turned into a courtroom.

With this idea the ref GM could also basically have that as his only task. Maybe that GM would choose to help with other stuff all week long, and probably would, but theoretically you could just have a single raid ref GM, or one for each server if they did the quake plan for green also.

[SantagarBrax]

Originally Posted by alexdoofaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a lot of time and effort. We’re lucky they have a presence at all here.

It's not a lot of time and effort in the grand scheme of things. A few hours or Endless fucking petitions because people are doing whatever the hell they want ignoring all the rules..

It's a no brainer.

[Vallaen]

The last time i saw a GM it was such a fond memory.

It was during the unrooted dragons and awakened got punted from ToV for training the west exit.

[Twochain]

I think unrooted with a very low number of rules would be the most fair, and the most fun raid environment. No coths on spawn. Get the dragon to aary ramp with your FTE and it's yours. NO rules passed North Door.

Train em, mem blur them, fuck with their pulls. That would be pretty fun. And no petitions. Just a MF thunderdome

[Nirgon]

Beta ended a long time ago guys

[greasemonk]

Blasphemous Brittney Users, obviously.