Game Mechanics: Main hand damage bonus is affecting bow damage

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Beatnix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Archery

A Ranger using an Exquisite_Velium_Reinforced_Bow and CLASS_2_Steel_Silver_Tip_Arrow is effectively using a 38/36 two hander with 340 range, without damage bonus or double attack. That is still not very good DPS, but the Trueshot discipline slightly more than doubles Ranger bow damage for 2 minutes. With that added, it becomes approximately equivalent to a 38/36 two hander that always double attacks, can crit and doesn't have a damage bonus.

The P99 wiki is not an appropriate source either. You might want to consult this help thread - https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=5570

Originally Posted by Tune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not sure what u are trying to say here

"DMG to PC" indicates damage done to the player. Your assumption (stated as fact) that "u can do this without aggro" is wrong... and bizarre.

[Tune]

with how fast u can click a fast bow with quiver and spell haste

with predator, avatar, all the accuracy buffs

id be much more inclined to believe 60-80 dps which is right on par with primal rogs, during some fights

the reason this gets thrown off is bc the damage bonus affects the MINIMUM hit, which is really powerful

and the added fact u can do this without aggro, or being in range to aoes, makes the game seem really stupid

it just compounds the stupiditiy of this in pvp

[Beatnix]

Why don't you provide some evidence that this is a normal mechanic then? All I have seen is people saying it's always been like this, with no evidence provided. With thousands of people playing eq during classic, I can't find one instance of someone using this or talking about it at all.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Beatnix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why don't you provide some evidence that this is a normal mechanic then? All I have seen is people saying it's always been like this, with no evidence provided. With thousands of people playing eq during classic, I can't find one instance of someone using this or talking about it at all.

I couldn't tell you if it's classic or not, but it's been coded this way on P99 since at least 2018 (probably 2011? my archery logs don't go back very far) so it wouldn't really surprise me if it went largely unnoticed on Live until they revamped it in Luclin.

[Beatnix]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I couldn't tell you if it's classic or not, but it's been coded this way on P99 since at least 2018 (probably 2011? my archery logs don't go back very far) so it wouldn't really surprise me if it went largely unnoticed on Live until they revamped it in Luclin.

So youre assuming its been on p99, which has been using an out of era client, for years that it must have been like this on live? Logs from p99 are irrelevant as well. Doesn't mean it's classic.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Beatnix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So youre assuming its been on p99, which has been using an out of era client, for years that it must have been like this on live? Logs from p99 are irrelevant as well. Doesn't mean it's classic.

No? I was addressing your disbelief that it could have gone largely unnoticed on live by pointing out that it went unnoticed for even longer here. Also, this is server-side code; it has nothing to do with the client.

[Beatnix]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No? I was addressing your disbelief that it could have gone largely unnoticed on live by pointing out that it went unnoticed for even longer here. Also, this is server-side code; it has nothing to do with the client.

So p99 sever doesn't have anything past velious. Nothing was taking out to make it classic..... ok bud.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Beatnix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So youre assuming its been on p99, which has been using an out of era client, for years that it must have been like this on live? Logs from p99 are irrelevant as well. Doesn't mean it's classic.

It went largely un-noticed on p1999 by people pretty familiar with Eq game mechanics for a decade.

Doesn't seem unlikely it would go un-noticed on live by relative noobs for 2 years.

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It went largely un-noticed on p1999 by people pretty familiar with Eq game mechanics for a decade.

Doesn't seem unlikely it would go un-noticed on live by relative noobs for 2 years.

2 Hander damage bonus was part of a late velious patch on live, and wasn't implemented on p1999 until less than 2 years ago.

Patch Notes: September 8th, 2019

Rogean: [Kunark/Sep2000/Oct2001] Applied Era Rules to Weapon Damage Bonus Calculations.

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It went largely un-noticed on p1999 by people pretty familiar with Eq game mechanics for a decade.

Doesn't seem unlikely it would go un-noticed on live by relative noobs for 2 years.

Yeah it went un-noticed for a decade on here and on live for 2 years.

Wanna know why?

BECUASE IT NEVER EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE UNTIL LATE VELIOUS.

Completely clueless.