2020 Post Election MEGAthread

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would ANYONE else have done differently than trump with regard to the virus?

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[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hindsight is 20 20 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please, you and I both know that I haven't changed my opinion on masks and social distancing and that if we practiced it in Jan we'd be out buying food in locally owned grocery stores today.


Don't try to pretend like the solution isn't obvious. It's a cold not Cthulhu. Its easy to avoid colds using common sense. Pretending masks make you Muslim is not common sense.

edit: here is proof I am right: https://youtu.be/1KZCltPHvqk

 

now after clicking dont you feel better than rehashing page 10-300 of the PRE election thread & 200 page virus thread? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please, you and I both know that I haven't changed my opinion on masks and social distancing and that if we practiced it in Jan we'd be out buying food in locally owned grocery stores today.


Don't try to pretend like the solution isn't obvious. It's a cold not Cthulhu. Its easy to avoid colds using common sense. Pretending masks make you Muslim is not common sense.

edit: here is proof I am right: https://youtu.be/1KZCltPHvqk

 

now after clicking dont you feel better than rehashing page 10-300 of the PRE election thread & 200 page virus thread? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Argument from ignorance is about all they've got. Because taking any precautions means admitting they are wrong to take the hardline of completely ignoring the effects of this deadly virus.

Take this slimeball above me repeatedly referencing the 99.7% survival rate as though engineering our society to save those .3%, not to mention limit the spread of future influenza etc., not to mention protect ourselves and NOT be ravaged by bioterrorism to the tune of many millions in the future is just not worth the effort. Those lives just don't count because the proportions in this disease currently affecting us are small. Even though 250,000 is a huge number. And nobody knows anything anyway, and it's impossible to make inferences, so why bother?

It's the cry of the stupid man who is loath to admit that the smart man is smarter. Who cannot comprehend that his political philosophy is and has cost innocent lives, and so must respond with virulent indignation. There's blood on the hands of the medical luddites today, and they will probably enter a lifetime of ever-grander delusionality to escape the implications of their mass foolishness upon our democracy.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

here is proof I am right

so its proven because some schmucks wrote down some data then some other schmucks looked it over and said "yeah sounds right"

We're only 9 months into this shit, nothing has been "proven" nor will it be for quite some time. There isn't even an effective vaccine for sars-cov-2, and they have had 18 years to work it out. So the idea of a viable and effective sars-cov-19 vaccine in the same year is rather unbelievable. Gonna continue scoffing at my boy Trump on that one.

This applies to everyone who has uttered a "covid fact"

[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rittenhouse is a hero who attempted to selflessly guard private businesses when no one else would. Not the police, not the feds, and not even you.

What would ANYONE else have done differently than trump with regard to the virus? I mean, aside from the draconian lockdowns, unprecedented quarantining of the healthy, and placing covid patients among the most immune compromised population?

But yeah Biden/Harris is the dem version of Bush/Cheney

I can give you a list of things I'd have done differently, for instance mandating the covering of produce at the supermarket and funding upgrades of air purification systems (since allegedly the air purification on airplanes makes them pretty darn safe). And that's not hindsight; I've been screaming at my TV all frickin year. I would quite literally have been much much better than Fauci at this. I tend to think Trump was willing to do whatever was called for, but nobody in our leadership structures stepped up at the critical time.

Under Hillary we would probably have had an early mask mandate, which would have improved things quite a bit. We would have had a second stimulus by now too. But I do think these are the only things that would be different, and we would have closed travel to China much later too. And, we'd also be on the ground in Syria so I dunno. I can't see being enthusiastic about any of our electoral options unless dumb. There's nothing insightful at all in the Biden covid plan. The only "accomplishment" of Trump is in the culture war, and now that he's saddled us with another Russiagate that will rot our brains even further I am pretty sad about his operations in that theatre too. Now both sets of people who identify with a "side" of our horrific politics are full-on conspiracy cults.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by imperiouskitten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can give you a list of things I'd have done differently, for instance mandating the covering of produce at the supermarket and funding upgrades of air purification systems (since allegedly the air purification on airplanes makes them pretty darn safe). And that's not hindsight; I've been screaming at my TV all frickin year.

Under Hillary we would probably have had an early mask mandate, which would have improved things quite a bit. But I do think that's the only thing that would be different, and we would have closed travel to China much later too. And, we'd also be on the ground in Syria so I dunno.

So, you would have done things which would result in feel-good-politics but in the real world have only the most minimal effect on virus transmission? This 99.7% survival rate virus?

100 years from now, we will know how we could have mitigated it better. Nobody has any ideas that are better than others, because nobody knows what they are doing, Not WHO not CDC not Fauci not Birx not Adhanom not trump not biden not big bird not you not me.


In 2020, 2021 and 2022 at the very least, the debate will continue to rage. At this early stage, nothing can be proved, and if you cannot prove it, You are Debating Philosophy, not hard science.

[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, you would have done things which would result in feel-good-politics but in the real world have only the most minimal effect on virus transmission? This 99.7% survival rate virus?

100 years from now, we will know how we could have mitigated it better. Nobody has any ideas that are better than others, because nobody knows what they are doing, Not WHO not CDC not Fauci not Birx not Adhanom not trump not biden not big bird not you not me.


In 2020, 2021 and 2022 at the very least, the debate will continue to rage. At this early stage, nothing can be proved, and if you cannot prove it, You are Debating Philosophy, not hard science.

Supermarkets are the primary vector of transmission location-wise, I have seen studied. I think it's pretty disingenuous to just throw out two very obvious means to mitigating transmission in those places and call it feel-good and pretend there is no way of knowing or testing until later. Contaminated food sitting open in the air in every supermarket store is an extremely obvious vector of transmission. Covering that produce is a very low-cost means to potentially saving many lives. Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with attempting a number of means of mitigating the spread of the virus and later discovering that some were less effective than others. What you advocate instead is to do nothing, which is the only thing "hard science" can prove definitively unhelpful. If we had gone out on a limb and actually done some things, we might have better options than sitting at home in lockdown doing nada.

I do actually have a better idea of what I am doing than some. For example, I knew that Fauci's early comments on masks doing nothing were falacious because I understood that viral particles tend to travel in water droplets which are much larger than a single viral particle. I understood this intuitively, without needing the data which later proved Fauci wrong. There are people who are better intuitive thinkers than others, and science is not merely trial and error but also educated guess.

[imperiouskitten]

how would they even tax you for guns you already own? There's no record of most of the guns that exist. In the west coast anyway you can buy and sell guns freely to private partners without any written records.

Sounds like you chose to live somewhere pretty servile if you won't be able to just hide what you've got. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jibartik]

Who did this cat vote for? https://youtu.be/kCq_q_1F_OY

[Trexller]

I never understood the purpose of shuttering small business and then funneling everyone into walmart, home depot and kroger.

How is this not a purposeful superspreader action? Instead of people distancing themselves by shopping in smaller stores, our genius leadership class put everyone in the same 3 places, pretty much guaranteeing that people infect each other.

Although I suppose this was necessary to spread this 99.7 survival rate virus in order to engineer the narrative that something bad is coming for us and that only Andrew Cuomo can save us. They gave him an emmy for putting covid patients in nursing homes. It saved us all.