At what level do SK & Warrior dps diverge?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by radbeard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I appreciate the thought everyone put into this question, including silkymist who, as far as I can tell, made similar points to other people here.

I guess I am slight lean towards SK. Weapons like Ebon mace, or if i wanted to spend a bunch, Shard of Night, seem like they make up for a lot of the dps hit. Combined with snare, FD, and snap aggro it sounds like SK is the better over-all choice.

I would have thought that if I decided to keep playing SK post-50 that is when I would start to really regret the choice but it sounds like from people here that they only get appreciably better, so that is promising.

Thanks again all.

No problem!

SK's definitely get better 50+ as pointed out above. You have access to all of your proc weapons/clickies, the 50-60 spells are substantially better than your 1-49 spells, and if you roll Troll/Iksar, your innate regen goes up way more.

The only time you would really regret rolling a Hybrid class is if you want to Raid, since they don't get to do much on that front. However, your attitude on raiding seems pretty clear, so I doubt you will have any regrets unless you suddenly want to raid tank later down the line[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Even if you do want to raid later, the silver lining is Hybrid gear tends to be cheap, so you can really deck out your toon for much better DPS when you go back to grouping/duoing/soloing.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by radbeard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I appreciate the thought everyone put into this question, including silkymist who, as far as I can tell, made similar points to other people here.

I guess I am slight lean towards SK. Weapons like Ebon mace, or if i wanted to spend a bunch, Shard of Night, seem like they make up for a lot of the dps hit. Combined with snare, FD, and snap aggro it sounds like SK is the better over-all choice.

I would have thought that if I decided to keep playing SK post-50 that is when I would start to really regret the choice but it sounds like from people here that they only get appreciably better, so that is promising.

Thanks again all.

Try to get a reaver at 30. Works in most zones. That plus shaman buffs and you’ll be amazed at your damage output. They’re a much different class in velious with the latest 2h patch and being on warrior damage table.

[Exard3k]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try to get a reaver at 30. Works in most zones. That plus shaman buffs and you’ll be amazed at your damage output. They’re a much different class in velious with the latest 2h patch and being on warrior damage table.

Reaver Proc doesnt stack with shaman/druid str buff. So I wouldn't recommend getting one in a duo.

[remen]

Originally Posted by Exard3k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reaver Proc doesnt stack with shaman/druid str buff. So I wouldn't recommend getting one in a duo.

You have your weapons confused, Reaver is 40/40 ratio 2hs weapon straight up, it doesn't have a proc. It's a beast weapon but it isn't a magic weap so some mobs it cant hit.

Regarding the dps question between the classes, what a lot of people are forgetting is the power of berserk warrior dps. If y'all are comfortable leaving your warrior in the 30-40% health range, the dps is ridic and not to mention crippling blows are stuns. With a shaman to slow, root, and heal it is very safe to do

SK definitely offers more utility though, so ultimately just think about what would be the most fun to play duo for you and your friend!

[Izmael]

In a duo, melee DPS is just a small part of the picture.

If what counts to you is to be able to efficiently exp by killing mobs with your duo, then many other factors are coming into play.

Ease of travel:
How much time you're going to waste running from one spot to another because the spot you wanted is taken? This happens all the time, everywhere, unless you stick to weird spots.

Ease of CR:
Unless you plan to almost never die, and therefore almost never take any risks, being about to waltz around a place by being able to cast IVU and regular invis (SK), is a game changer. Try to CR your duo from somewhere like undead side Guk on a shaman and a warrior and see how you like your insane warrior DPS over that session.

Ease of pulling:
Monk, SK, Pal, Ranger... all have good options for pulling. Warrior has none. The warrior will kill the single mob down faster, but it will take you 1 hour to get that camp split and recover from the beatings you took while dealing with 4 mobs breaking shamie root all the time.

Ease of killing:
War will just face tank, press autoattack and hope it works. There's nothing else they can do.
Any hybrid has a ton of spells that allow you to be creative to deal with situations.

There are probably a million other factors one can find.


I personally like the SK/Sham duo, but a lot can be said about Monk/Sham as well.
Also if you can get 50k instead of 20k, grab a fungi and pass on all other gear, the game will be so much more fun.

[jolanar]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a duo, melee DPS is just a small part of the picture.

If what counts to you is to be able to efficiently exp by killing mobs with your duo, then many other factors are coming into play.

Ease of travel:
How much time you're going to waste running from one spot to another because the spot you wanted is taken? This happens all the time, everywhere, unless you stick to weird spots.

Ease of CR:
Unless you plan to almost never die, and therefore almost never take any risks, being about to waltz around a place by being able to cast IVU and regular invis (SK), is a game changer. Try to CR your duo from somewhere like undead side Guk on a shaman and a warrior and see how you like your insane warrior DPS over that session.

Ease of pulling:
Monk, SK, Pal, Ranger... all have good options for pulling. Warrior has none. The warrior will kill the single mob down faster, but it will take you 1 hour to get that camp split and recover from the beatings you took while dealing with 4 mobs breaking shamie root all the time.

Ease of killing:
War will just face tank, press autoattack and hope it works. There's nothing else they can do.
Any hybrid has a ton of spells that allow you to be creative to deal with situations.

There are probably a million other factors one can find.


I personally like the SK/Sham duo, but a lot can be said about Monk/Sham as well.
Also if you can get 50k instead of 20k, grab a fungi and pass on all other gear, the game will be so much more fun.

The beauty of a Shadowknight is the fact that because you can snare AND fear, you can duo well with basically any other class.

SK + Rogue in Dreadlands was some of the fastest easiest exp I've ever had in my 40s considering it was two melee classes.

[Snaggles]

+1 Izmael

Yea a sham melee duo is about ease, not speed. A torp sham can kill damn near anything solo. A melee is basically a upgraded sham pet with pulling skills. Even a pally would be a nice complement.

If you want dps and leveling speed go sham/ench. Charmed pets will put everything else to shame.

[radbeard]

No, i can't more than double the amount i've saved in order to buy a Fungi.

[remen]

Splitting camps is easy with shaman root, SK in this particular duo isn't much different than warrior pulling.

Also, FD isn't that big a deal in a duo, since your shaman cant FD and will need to CR anyways from a wipe. SK spell utility really doesn't synergize very well with a shaman.

I've leveled an SK and a warrior past 50 here, and the dps difference is staggering. I can't overstate how strong berserk dps is, I actually leveled my warrior faster than my monk.

But again, EQ is more about the journey and fun, any melee + shaman duo is strong so just think about what you would enjoy most.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by remen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Splitting camps is easy with shaman root, SK in this particular duo isn't much different than warrior pulling.

Also, FD isn't that big a deal in a duo, since your shaman cant FD and will need to CR anyways from a wipe. SK spell utility really doesn't synergize very well with a shaman.

Feign and splitting becomes critically important for doing difficult top-level areas where things are resistant enough (or there are enough adds) where root might not work reliably. Hence why you see monks and shadow knights favored over warriors for very high-level shaman duo partners. For ordinarily leveling content I agree feign splitting isn't--usually--all that important. The original poster seems unlikely to go all the way to 60. Counterpoint, though, is that there's really not a lot of point in playing a warrior if you don't plan to raid with it. He's not really getting the most out of either class in the environment he has chosen, but neither is he really going to go wrong with either one. They'll both get the job done.

Disclaimer: SK is my main on P99 and has been since 2012, and I spend a lot of time online duo with the wife on her Shaman. Obviously we've been level 60 for a long time. Hence I know that duo very well.

Danth