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Old 09-25-2020, 03:53 PM
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The autopsy found lethally high amounts of an incredibly potent opioid narcotic in his system, this is relevant because if he had swallowed a large amount at the beginning of the encounter, it makes total sense that he slowly passes away which I and any decent person found horrifying to witness.
Reminds me of how the rapper juicewrld died after finding out the police were waiting to search his aircraft he popped the pills he had on his person, overdosed with blood coming out.
It would explain how floyd was bleeding, due to an overdose. I had also read he had lethal levels of Fentanyl in his system upon autopsy but I couldn't source to my satisfaction to mention it.
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Old 09-25-2020, 07:53 PM
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It's not at all conclusive that he was killed by the kneeling cop though...
I AM GEORGE FLOYD'S NECK: Layer by layer dissection of the anterior strap muscles of the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within the musculature. The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone are intact. The larynx is lined by intact mucosa. The thyroid is symmetric and red-brown, without cystic or nodular change. The tongue is free of bite marks, hemorrhage, or other injuries. The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.

I AM GEORGE FLOYD'S HEART: Cross sections of coronary arteries, though not all ideally oriented, confirm the gross impression of atherosclerotic narrowing.

I AM GEORGE FLOYD'S BLOOD TEST RESULTS:

Caffeine Positive
Cotinine Positive
4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL
Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL


Signs associated with fentanyl toxicity include severe respiratory depression, seizures, hypotension, coma and death. In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL.

I AM GEORGE FLOYD'S CAUSE OF DEATH:

Stupidity.

Stupid-ass, what the fuck? Get high in the car, stumble into the bodega, try to use a fake-ass bill and get thrown the fuck out! So now, you fucking genius, you sit in the car in front of the place and you get more high! The cops get there of course, now you don't want to get out of the car. They be patient with your ass and polite, but fuck no! You're going to make it a thing. They get your stupid ass out, now you don't want to go into the police car. The whole time they ain't beatin you, they ain't tasing or spraying you, no one shot your fucking dumb ass at all, and you're flexing and yelling about claustrophobia. They get your ass on the ground and hold you so they can tie you better so you can be safely put into the squad car and you pass out from all that excitement and the NEARLY 16 ng/mL OF MOTHERFUCKING FENTANYL in your system and later you die. Stupid-ass does stupid and dies.

To be serious I can kneel on your goddamn neck for 10 minutes exactly like that cop did and you'd be fucking fine. This is true for anyone reading this and I weigh 230 pounds. That side-neck restraint hold is taught like that precisely so it doesn't cause death.
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Old 09-25-2020, 08:02 PM
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Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL


In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL.

I AM GEORGE FLOYD'S CAUSE OF DEATH:
Would this level be independently fatal for a habitual user?

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Old 09-25-2020, 08:31 PM
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Would this level be independently fatal for a habitual user?

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Fair question, but almost certainly yes. If you panic-eat a much larger dose of a fatal narcotic than you'd ordinarily use recreationally, whatever developed tolerance you have relative to your standard recreational dose of that drug becomes kind of an irrelevant factor. Heroin addicts almost always die by overdose accidentally, when they happen to take just a smidge more than is required to kill them. Most heroin addicts have been extremely close to a lethal od several times, it's just that those times don't seem particularly meaningful because, hey, they eventually wake up. It's a very simple science experiment; how many breaths per minute are too few to deprive your brain of oxygen long enough that you die. You only get to learn that number once. Why people are treating the huge megadose fentanyl finding as some kind of unimportant curiosity is baffling to me.
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Old 09-25-2020, 08:39 PM
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Fair question, but almost certainly yes. If you panic-eat a much larger dose of a fatal narcotic than you'd ordinarily use recreationally, whatever developed tolerance you have relative to your standard recreational dose of that drug becomes kind of an irrelevant factor. Heroin addicts almost always die by overdose accidentally, when they happen to take just a smidge more than is required to kill them. Most heroin addicts have been extremely close to a lethal od several times, it's just that those times don't seem particularly meaningful because, hey, they eventually wake up. It's a very simple science experiment; how many breaths per minute are too few to deprive your brain of oxygen long enough that you die. You only get to learn that number once. Why people are treating the huge megadose fentanyl finding as some kind of unimportant curiosity is baffling to me.
That presupposes he gobbled it up; I'm wondering if that was just his daily operational level.

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Old 09-25-2020, 10:22 PM
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According to the manufacturer's literature, you get around 3.2ng/mL cMax from a 100mcg patch. So imagine him on 4 of the strongest fentanyl patches.

These patches are weak. I know from experience that that dose is substantially weaker than 30mg of methadone, which a naive individual could survive, even a skinny White model girl. If he had any habit at all, he would have survived. If he didn't, it's just-high-enough a dose to be murky. The combination of respiratory depression with suffocation means the Fent may have been the difference between surviving this excessive force and not, though.

For my money, it is weird he's got pure fentanyl in his system and no heroin/etc. Are people trading in pure fentanyl, now, knowingly? i guess it could be. The tox report reads like an intelligence/natsecurity edit to me, though. We're all still pretending things are all exactly as they seem though, so you can just write all that off with "tinfoil" and pretend I've never known anything.

Without any other downers in his system, and with a decent dose of meth to offset the downs, Big Doubt he died of fentanyl. Unless perhaps he was in withdrawal from methamphetamine. The only other variable I can't account for is time-to-tox-screen; there is such a thing as postmortem metabolism and I am not pretending it's a tiny dose. It's just that -- it takes a HUGE dose of opiates to overdose without assistance from the benzo or booze end of things. Fent does metabolise fast tho and if they didn't get his blood quick, and if the blood test is untampered-with, it's not an impossible scenario that he was under the influence of double the recorded dose.

In the end, so far as a court of law goes I'd call it reasonable doubt as to cause of death. But the whole thing stinks bad and the knee on the neck was obviously gross shit. Anyone calling the tox report a "case closed" for OD is selling something.

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Old 09-26-2020, 09:03 AM
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For my money, it is weird he's got pure fentanyl in his system and no heroin/etc. Are people trading in pure fentanyl, now, knowingly? i guess it could be. The tox report reads like an intelligence/natsecurity edit to me, though. We're all still pretending things are all exactly as they seem though, so you can just write all that off with "tinfoil" and pretend I've never known anything.

Without any other downers in his system, and with a decent dose of meth to offset the downs, Big Doubt he died of fentanyl. Unless perhaps he was in withdrawal from methamphetamine. The only other variable I can't account for is time-to-tox-screen; there is such a thing as postmortem metabolism and I am not pretending it's a tiny dose. It's just that -- it takes a HUGE dose of opiates to overdose without assistance from the benzo or booze end of things. Fent does metabolise fast tho and if they didn't get his blood quick, and if the blood test is untampered-with, it's not an impossible scenario that he was under the influence of double the recorded dose.

In the end, so far as a court of law goes I'd call it reasonable doubt as to cause of death. But the whole thing stinks bad and the knee on the neck was obviously gross shit. Anyone calling the tox report a "case closed" for OD is selling something.

-her, neuroscientist molecular pharmacologist and sensual polymath
He had morphine too, which is a metabolite of heroin. And I agree about the knee even if I understand the intent of the technique and the reason for it being in the police manual. The whole video was saddening.
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Old 09-25-2020, 05:12 PM
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Just had a junkie friend od on fent, no joke bros ( Was never meant to be a recreational drug because its too potent to cut into doses by the average drug user or dealer )

Also heard a tom petty song at target yesterday lol, wont back down hehehhe rip
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Old 09-25-2020, 08:52 PM
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Pretty much this thread can be summed up as:

There is the recent release of the Breonna Taylor case and she was entangled in a drug web and pending homicide investigation. Her idiot boyfriend shot at the police and they were forced to return fire.

George Floyd had a high level of drugs in his system and was breaking the law. There is video of him complaining about not being able to breath prior to the neck. You couldn't conclusively claim it was murder by asphyxiation, if you can, you are lying.

Kyle Rittenhouse was a lifeguard, seen on video wanting to clean up the community and offer help. He was doing non-threatening tasks like cleaning up graffiti and other community service prior. He already had logged over 1,000 hours of community service in his lifetime. Someone else fired a shot near Kyle first. It's 100% self defense and larping for your community isn't bad. If you are against that or even make fun of it, you are an idiot. I'm more of a concealed type of guy but I run AR's and other platforms too. My community is my direct family and friends so I probably wouldn't do that shit but I agree with people doing it. If you don't, you disagree with the Asian members during the LA riots defending their communities. You disagree with black wall-street owners defending their property at the time. You wouldn't be philosophically consistent in defense of property and community.
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Old 09-25-2020, 09:08 PM
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Both the cops who killed george floyd and breonna taylor will walk

Kyle will walk as well

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