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Old 06-21-2011, 05:20 PM
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I haven't parsed it, so I'm not sure if it's hard coded into the client or not but what dr4z3r is saying is true, most bard songs are type 2 and are, following the timeline, not supposed to stack with enchanter/shaman haste. I didn't think overhaste (type3) came out until Luclin, but I may be mistaken and it may have been Velious.
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Old 06-21-2011, 05:22 PM
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v3 compositions came out with Velious and do stack with enchanter/shaman hastes. The other bard songs like Versus of Celerity are v2 like enc/shm and do not stack. Haste does have a cap though.
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Old 06-22-2011, 01:02 PM
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I consider the 75 agi thing common knowledge, not something I'll mention in every one of the three daily "help create my char" threads :P but yeah, naturally. As for casters, it's not too difficult to max your int or wis, and it doesn't do you that much good even if you do max it. That's why some advocate putting points in stamina; it's pretty much the only other stat a caster should care about, and it's almost impossible to max for them. It's better than nothing.
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Old 06-22-2011, 01:27 PM
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Next int caster I roll I'm probably going to put about half my points into str. I've wished on more than one occasion while leveling my necro that I had more str for loot hauling.
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Old 07-07-2011, 11:32 AM
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I'd suggest all points into STA, because it's a difficult to raise stat. Bard gear tends to have a lot of CHA on it no matter what you do, and I really don't think it's useful anyway. CHA or DEX might affect missed notes, idk, especially here where bards have been messed with and are different from live.

When I make my bard, though, I may put half of the points into DEX. This is because more DEX makes for more weapon procs, and weapon procs are very useful in pvp. Particularly against casters. We got a +DEX song, but I think it's in luclin so we actually don't.

And about the melee dps, keep in mind that bards get a line of self-only haste songs that are much better than the group songs. So if you're duoing with a caster (or w/e), or trying to solo, your melee dps is better than an unhasted ranger without double attack.
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Old 07-07-2011, 11:39 AM
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I'd suggest all points into STA, because it's a difficult to raise stat. Bard gear tends to have a lot of CHA on it no matter what you do, and I really don't think it's useful anyway. CHA or DEX might affect missed notes, idk, especially here where bards have been messed with and are different from live.

When I make my bard, though, I may put half of the points into DEX. This is because more DEX makes for more weapon procs, and weapon procs are very useful in pvp. Particularly against casters. We got a +DEX song, but I think it's in luclin so we actually don't.

And about the melee dps, keep in mind that bards get a line of self-only haste songs that are much better than the group songs. So if you're duoing with a caster (or w/e), or trying to solo, your melee dps is better than an unhasted ranger without double attack.
Chant of Battle adds dex.
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Old 07-07-2011, 12:05 PM
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Chant of Battle adds dex.
not enough dex to make it worth twisting imo..
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:56 PM
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not enough dex to make it worth twisting imo..
It adds 20 str 20 dex 5ac and stacks with haste. I always twist this song when grouping. It's very beneficial for other melee's in the group.
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:54 PM
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about charisma

it has been tested and tested and shown to effect a number of spells. Verant also continual stated that it had an effect.

Spells like lull, mez and charm make two checks

1st check is major vrs level, second is vrs charisma.

regarding mezz -the tests and verant's claims show that it is most important against reds, little effect on evens or blues.

for charm it helps get duration (of little importance to bards since max time is short). (charm the same critter ten times with 200 charisma, then with 100 and it is very apparent)

for lull it helps prevent the critical failure

no clue about missed notes since I never played a bard and thus never looked into that.

In the end level of critter and innate mr make up much more of the chance than does charisma.

add in: One warrior I knew wished he had put all his points into charisma at the start, since it was the hardest to max and spells like Divine Aura work off of it (not sure what era DA was)
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