The player-moderated Ancient Cyclops list is a disaster.

[beh]

Originally Posted by Vdaria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand and agree with you, but there's another side to that coin. I manage a retail store, for example, so I rarely have time to play the game. As it is, I'm probably gonna forgo inspecting the store some morning/evening to camp jboots. But If I had to sit at the AC camp until it was available, I would never get jboots. You might say "this is fine; after all, MMOs are timesinks, and it wouldn't be fair to the players who invest more time to water the content down for the players who invest less time. Your job may be incompatible with MMOs, and you should be willing to prioritize accordingly." I don't have a strong response to that other than to say it is healthy for the game and for the player base for more people to have access to gear and experiences, whether it be through open raids or long lists or what have you.

This list system as it stands is the mechanic that is keeping you and other more casual players away from jboots. There are dozens of people who are re-signing up at the bottom of the list immediately after looting a ring.. multiple times, in perpetuity. They can do this because this list system allows them to sign up and leave the zone or log off, and then parachute in to hang out for maybe an hour tops (sometimes just 6.5 minutes!), loot ANOTHER ring, and gouge you for 6k+ to MQ it.

If this list were gone, those who NEED THE BOOTS (you) can prioritize this camp, instead of being log-jammed by people on a phantom list who are either logged off touching themselves or raiding planes for MORE loot that you might never see.

You will get your boots without this list because you won't have 100 person lists anymore. Only those who are willing to sacrifice doing anything else (good luck top raiding guilds, you guys are pretty busy most days of the week!) will be able to clog up the list with intentions to farm.

[Lurgort/Sseri]

Originally Posted by beh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, it should be emphasized again that a large number of people on this list are regulars that add themselves back to the list immediately after getting their ring of the ancients. If you require people to be PRESENT to remain on the list, this kind of passive farming is discouraged, and those who prioritize the camp because they actually need the boots will get more opportunities. As it stands now, we have the same crowd of farmers extorting the rest of the server for 6k a pop. These are the same people that'll post here that you should "avoid the drama and buy a MQ."

It's ok, say it with me: Fuck those people.

If you want to be a farmer, you shouldn't get to parachute in from the fucking plane of hate, or another plat camp you're farming, just to clog space in front of someone who might not have the desire to raid and farm like you, but just wants some damn jboots to enjoy the game a little more.

Wiz here. Jboots gotten: Farmed Hero Bracers for the majority of it. Also Tinkering for Spyglasses/Stalking Probes.

Bind in South Qeynos by the Quest Guy, gate to GFay, Thunderclap down all of the Minos in the cave in Steamfont, kill the almost assuredly spawned Mino Hero, gate, hand-in. Prep another bracer, sell it in EC for 150pp, gate, hand in, gate to NRo.

You could also farm Rings of Shadow in South Karana after grabbing a SoW and clarity, can make 400pp in about 15 minutes doing this and Hero Bracers, 300pp every 10 minutes - of course, it involves time to trade in EC.

Sell ports while auctioning your farmed items, you'll have JBoots in a couple days whilst ignoring all the bullshit of player greed, aside from buying the MQ - mine costed 5750pp, gold included, with my Rapier.

[beh]

Originally Posted by Lurgort/Sseri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wiz here. Jboots gotten: Farmed Hero Bracers for the majority of it. Also Tinkering for Spyglasses/Stalking Probes.

Bind in South Qeynos by the Quest Guy, gate to GFay, Thunderclap down all of the Minos in the cave in Steamfont, kill the almost assuredly spawned Mino Hero, gate, hand-in. Prep another bracer, sell it in EC for 150pp, gate, hand in, gate to NRo.

You could also farm Rings of Shadow in South Karana after grabbing a SoW and clarity, can make 400pp in about 15 minutes doing this and Hero Bracers, 300pp every 10 minutes - of course, it involves time to trade in EC.

Sell ports while auctioning your farmed items, you'll have JBoots in a couple days whilst ignoring all the bullshit of player greed, aside from buying the MQ - mine costed 5750pp, gold included, with my Rapier.

No. I understand how to farm platinum, and I have plenty of more efficient ways to do so, but I don't need to be forced to go play another part of the game that I'm not interested in for multiple days just to afford to pay someone else who abuses and exploits a bad system to price gouge and gate-keep an item that almost everyone needs. When the only answer is "go do something else and pay a farmer for it", the situation is broken.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by beh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, it should be emphasized again that a large number of people on this list are regulars that add themselves back to the list immediately after getting their ring of the ancients.

Don't be so quick to judge! Some of us keep adding ourselves, because we keep getting removed at spot 70.

[Izmael]

This just needs to be made a /list camp.

[kauvian]

Make list camps great again!

Bring back the afk checks.

[Castle2.0]

He he he.... Can't find the thread but... I TOLD YOU SO!

People scoffed when I said the player-made list would go to 50+ because of no AFK checks.

Now where is it? 100+

I'll say it again.... 100+

THIS is exactly why AFK-check enforced, hard-coded lists are the only way to do legacy items.

[Castle2.0]

NEVERMIND, found the thread!

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=359414

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NEVERMIND, found the thread!

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=359414

I don't see you predict 50+ in that thread, only your claim that you previously did.

This is a prediction.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...39&postcount=6

Anyways, this player made clusterfuck of a list is also a different animal, being easy to abuse in so many ways, instead of just a handful ways to abuse it like a true /list camp.

[TheSurgeon]

Fuck a /list mechanic, I would just bring The Hand of God down and perma-lockout the ring to one per character.

The AC has been such a shit show for years. It is clear to any sane person the easiest way to go about getting Jboots is to farm the plat instead. Which makes you wonder, if it's easier to farm the plat, then why farm the AC for a MQ? All of the MQs can't be just from SRo luck. Some elf shenanigans are going on somewheres abouts that make farming this hell hole profitable for a select number of people.

I don't want to say there is a Cyclops Mafia within the ranks of elf nerds, but there probably is.