Make official price for tipping

[Sabin76]

It actually shouldn't be that hard. I'd wager that 5pp for a SoW is pretty standard, yeah? 5pp for 40 mana and 4.5 seconds of casting time. Ports are 300 mana and a 16 second casting time... and if we assume the porter doesn't want to be where they just dumped you, 70 mana and 5 more seconds for the Gate back.

On a purely mana calculation: 300/40*5 = 37.5pp
On a purely casting time calculation: 17.7pp
Half way between these is ~27.7pp

Perhaps the most fair way (in principle) to compare the two would be the total time. A level 50 druid with maxed meditate meds 21.6 mana/tick. SoW would take a maximum* total of 16.5 seconds of a Druid's time (4.5 to cast and 2 ticks = 12 seconds to recover if they start recovering immediately after a tick happens). A port takes a minimum* total of 94 seconds a Druid's time (16 to cast and 13 ticks to recover if they start recovering immediately before a tick happens).

This amounts to 28.5pp per port... let's just call it an even 30. My mage, who's level 50, is cool with that. My Bard, who I just started playing and is level 9... not so much.

*This gives the most favorable conversion conditions to the buyer. Note that we are now assuming the Druid doesn't mind being in their new place and won't be gating back... Just make it 35pp if you don't assume so.

EDIT: I'm perfectly fine with the 1pp per level model. This is mostly in response to the above post mentioning 2-4pp for a port... just... wow.

[SewingMachine]

Originally Posted by Sabin76 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It actually shouldn't be that hard. I'd wager that 5pp for a SoW is pretty standard, yeah? 5pp for 40 mana and 4.5 seconds of casting time. Ports are 300 mana and a 16 second casting time... and if we assume the porter doesn't want to be where they just dumped you, 70 mana and 5 more seconds for the Gate back.

On a purely mana calculation: 300/40*5 = 37.5pp
On a purely casting time calculation: 17.7pp
Half way between these is ~27.7pp

Perhaps the most fair way (in principle) to compare the two would be the total time. A level 50 druid with maxed meditate meds 21.6 mana/tick. SoW would take a maximum* total of 16.5 seconds of a Druid's time (4.5 to cast and 2 ticks = 12 seconds to recover if they start recovering immediately after a tick happens). A port takes a minimum* total of 94 seconds a Druid's time (16 to cast and 13 ticks to recover if they start recovering immediately before a tick happens).

This amounts to 28.5pp per port... let's just call it an even 30. My mage, who's level 50, is cool with that. My Bard, who I just started playing and is level 9... not so much.

*This gives the most favorable conversion conditions to the buyer. Note that we are now assuming the Druid doesn't mind being in their new place and won't be gating back... Just make it 35pp if you don't assume so.

EDIT: I'm perfectly fine with the 1pp per level model. This is mostly in response to the above post mentioning 2-4pp for a port... just... wow.

forgot about that 10% chance of tip on sow.

[Tankwipe]

It's a tip, not an invoiced payment. If you're stingy then I just won't port you again. You are incentivized to pay well for a quality service.

[Baler]

Sub level 20, pay what ever you want
20-60, 1p per level
Ports are a luxery not a requirement

[drackgon]

What Baler said. Surprised how 50/50 the server is.

[Radalas]

For those who are shocked at the price of 2 - 4pp per port, that was the going donation back in the days everyone paid, and I began the game pre kunark, early year 2000. Ran large raids, ran a guild. Was very active. I do have some reference as to what I am talking about and not just spouting nonsense. Perhaps it was a unique situation in Saryarn server tho....

And if the open market price on blue/green is going to be 1pp per level or however it ends up being, then that's all fine and great. I'm all for open market. All I will say is two things.

- I've paid 2 plat for ports with a variety of porters in the short time I have spent to make to lvl11 and no one has complained to me yet and I've had repeated porters porting me.

- As a new character, it is unrealistic for me to be able to afford ports at that high a price AND be able to save plats for equipment upgrades etc. If the prices for ports are that high, I will have no other choice but to wait for a sow and hoof it, especially during my early levels because it will be impossible for me to actually afford both.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Radalas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For those who are shocked at the price of 2 - 4pp per port, that was the going donation back in the days everyone paid, and I began the game pre kunark, early year 2000. Ran large raids, ran a guild. Was very active. I do have some reference as to what I am talking about and not just spouting nonsense. Perhaps it was a unique situation in Saryarn server tho....

And if the open market price on blue/green is going to be 1pp per level or however it ends up being, then that's all fine and great. I'm all for open market. All I will say is two things.

- I've paid 2 plat for ports with a variety of porters in the short time I have spent to make to lvl11 and no one has complained to me yet and I've had repeated porters porting me.

- As a new character, it is unrealistic for me to be able to afford ports at that high a price AND be able to save plats for equipment upgrades etc. If the prices for ports are that high, I will have no other choice but to wait for a sow and hoof it, especially during my early levels because it will be impossible for me to actually afford both.

The standard amount back in the day was 10pp. If you’re a new char, sure porters in P99 are going to be nice and not disparage you for paying that much. Once you get into your 20s though if you’re still tipping 2pp you’re gonna see a lot of people having a problem with porting you repeatedly.

And also, if you can’t afford ports at a low level you’re in luck! There’s a boat if you need to get between continents! You can run between zones too! Just use the arrow keys on your keyboard and off you go! Ports are a luxury. Such a dumb statement that “well I don’t have much money so I’m entitled to pay a low amount for a port”...no...you’re entitled to walk/boat.

Oh and if you’re so confident about your position and how people will just continually port you for 2pp, why don’t you disclose your character name on this thread? Then we can see how often any porters who read the forums are willing to port you.

[Radalas]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The standard amount back in the day was 10pp. If you’re a new char, sure porters in P99 are going to be nice and not disparage you for paying that much. Once you get into your 20s though if you’re still tipping 2pp you’re gonna see a lot of people having a problem with porting you repeatedly.

And also, if you can’t afford ports at a low level you’re in luck! There’s a boat if you need to get between continents! You can run between zones too! Just use the arrow keys on your keyboard and off you go! Ports are a luxury. Such a dumb statement that “well I don’t have much money so I’m entitled to pay a low amount for a port”...no...you’re entitled to walk/boat.

Oh and if you’re so confident about your position and how people will just continually port you for 2pp, why don’t you disclose your character name on this thread? Then we can see how often any porters who read the forums are willing to port you.

Hmmm I don't see anything in my post that exhibited any type of entitlement. All I said was my own perspective and experience on this topic, that I could not afford that kind of plat at my early levels and that I will have no other choice but to walk if such a standard price like 10+pp for a port. So I'm not sure where you felt I was acting entitled. In fact I said I believe in open market and if that's what the price is, then again, exactly as you said, I will have no other choice but to walk/boat since it would be impossible for me to afford both equipment and ports. It will be what it is and I'll have to live with it.

And my character name is Radga. Lvl11 Ogre SK at the moment. I have absolutely no issue with telling everyone who I am. I didn't start the thread but there seems to be a variety of opinion on this topic, so I expressed my own. I hope you could respect that?

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The standard amount back in the day was 10pp.

25-30 was what I remember. But I think 10pp was probably still doable.

Everyone was also way lower level though. This server must be 10x as top heavy as classic times. Here I tip 1pp per level with a floor of 30 or so. If they come and get me from somewhere that may bump it a little.

[Rader]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The standard amount back in the day was 10pp. If you’re a new char, sure porters in P99 are going to be nice and not disparage you for paying that much. Once you get into your 20s though if you’re still tipping 2pp you’re gonna see a lot of people having a problem with porting you repeatedly.

And also, if you can’t afford ports at a low level you’re in luck! There’s a boat if you need to get between continents! You can run between zones too! Just use the arrow keys on your keyboard and off you go! Ports are a luxury. Such a dumb statement that “well I don’t have much money so I’m entitled to pay a low amount for a port”...no...you’re entitled to walk/boat.

Oh and if you’re so confident about your position and how people will just continually port you for 2pp, why don’t you disclose your character name on this thread? Then we can see how often any porters who read the forums are willing to port you.

You F ing cheap bastards. The mana cost (sow and port to where you are at, to where you want to go, and to where the porter wants to be) plus the time to do all that, is more than you are factoring in your calculation. As was said previously, knock your cheap @$$ selves out waiting for the boats.