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Old 07-27-2020, 07:50 PM
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Hi,

I read that thread with great care, read your guide and watched your videos. Thank you for all the hours you put into that hard work. No matter if we agree with you or not, no one can deny you love shamans

From my not even 54 iksar scum shaman's point of view there is one thing that I don't understand in your reasonning

On the one hand you rate iksars lower than the other (superior) races because they can't wear plate armor but on the other hand you don't give much credit to the innate AC bonus they get.

Who cares if you only can wear chain (happy with my chain fungi) and not plate (not sure Vindi's, SS, Kael, ToV BPs don't qualify as plate though) when you don't want to be hit in the first place?

In fact there's also another argument in favor of FSI that I don't buy

Unless your back pedaling, FSI won't do much to prevent you from being stunned if you need to flee, ymmv

Aside from that, thanks for your guide & videos ��

PS 100% iksar shaman here, and happy to be one. Tried and rerolled an innoruk troll shaman which I got to 20, got him a jbb that I eventually sold to a fellow ogre shaman, but I ended up reverting to my lizard, and I love it
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:02 PM
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Hi,

I read that thread with great care, read your guide and watched your videos. Thank you for all the hours you put into that hard work. No matter if we agree with you or not, no one can deny you love shamans

From my not even 54 iksar scum shaman's point of view there is one thing that I don't understand in your reasonning

On the one hand you rate iksars lower than the other (superior) races because they can't wear plate armor but on the other hand you don't give much credit to the innate AC bonus they get.

Who cares if you only can wear chain (happy with my chain fungi) and not plate (not sure Vindi's, SS, Kael, ToV BPs don't qualify as plate though) when you don't want to be hit in the first place?

In fact there's also another argument in favor of FSI that I don't buy

Unless your back pedaling, FSI won't do much to prevent you from being stunned if you need to flee, ymmv

Aside from that, thanks for your guide & videos ��

PS 100% iksar shaman here, and happy to be one. Tried and rerolled an innoruk troll shaman which I got to 20, got him a jbb that I eventually sold to a fellow ogre shaman, but I ended up reverting to my lizard, and I love it
Thank you[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Yeah I am still trying to figure out how to clarify every point succinctly.

I probably wasn't super clear on the Classic/Kunark Plate problem Iksars have. Iksars can wear all Velious Plate, so that isn't a factor here. It basically boils down to not being able to use https://wiki.project1999.com/Jaundiced_Bone_Bracer . This is a great item, even at level 60 with Torpor. This is because Shaman spell slots are quite premium. Having the ability to use one of my strongest DD spells for free, without wasting a spell gem, is quite useful in certain fights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umuVBewCNgY In this video, I am using JBB to deal damage, and keep my hate below my pet's, so it can tank for the whole fight. You do not NEED to use this strategy to kill Cliff Golems, but JBB gives you more options. I did a total of 5300 damage in that fight with the JBB, which is 1/6th of the Golem's total health.

I do address the innate AC bonus at the end. That is one of the main reasons why Iksars are the best RAID ONLY Shaman, as stated in my guide. If you are looking for maximum damage reduction, Iksars are the best race. They have Regeneration, extra AC, better base resistances than a Troll, and access to https://wiki.project1999.com/Stone_of_Morid .

As to your point about FSI, that is the strategy lol. You try to avoid turning your back on the mob as much as humanly possible. As a Torpor Shaman, you usually don't run away from mobs. You either die in place fighting, or gate out. This is because you are going to be snared a good portion of the fight anyway due to Torpor. Obviously there are rare occasions where you have to turn your back on a mob, but you can avoid turning your back on mobs most of the time if you are paying attention. You want to keep the mob in front of you anyway, even on non-ogres. This is because dodge doesn't work if the mob is hitting you from behind. You still want to have the mob in front of you whenever possible.
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:10 PM
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Your fixation on this shit is really disturbing.
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:11 PM
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Your fixation on this shit is really disturbing.
You should learn to have a conversation instead of just throwing out random insults. It just makes you look silly.
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:56 PM
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f just throwing out random insults. It just makes you look silly.
Get a mirror.

And I'll take silly over unhinged.
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Get a mirror.

And I'll take silly over unhinged.
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This is excessive for something that ultimately doesn't matter.

Wasn't the first thread enough?
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Old 07-28-2020, 11:30 AM
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This is excessive for something that ultimately doesn't matter.

Wasn't the first thread enough?
I put this on the wiki so people have a single place to find this information, instead of trying to dig through multiple threads on the same topic. The question of "Which Shaman race is the best"? keeps popping up on this forum and on other forums, with different answers each time.
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Old 07-28-2020, 11:58 AM
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Why are people getting so irritated with this guide? I can only speak for myself, but I really appreciate the work you put into this. Thank you and I suspect most players feel the same way I do. Good job.
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Old 07-28-2020, 12:07 PM
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Why are people getting so irritated with this guide? I can only speak for myself, but I really appreciate the work you put into this. Thank you and I suspect most players feel the same way I do. Good job.
Thank you again[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I honestly wonder the same thing myself.
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