Wurmslayer Nerf - Clarification

[Dantes]

Who cares if it poofs, it'll be worthless after the nerf anyway.

[Lucia Moonglow]

Originally Posted by Dantes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who cares if it poofs, it'll be worthless after the nerf anyway.

Even in the primary hand, the damage/delay ratio on a Wurmslayer makes it a powerful mainhand. A lot of the negative stigma attached to the weapon was based on the false belief that your offhand only has a chance to swing when your main hand does. This is false. It is also based off of the idea that fast weapons mean more agro for warriors, when it's simply damage output that makes this determination, as I've seen by consistently pulling agro off of warriors while using the Wurmslayer myself.

The Wurmslayer has a DPS ratio of 1.6, which is better than a lot of weapons until the higher levels where the main hand damage bonus starts to make faster weapons more effective.

Just because a weapon is slow doesn't mean it's worthless.

It should also be noted that even at level 60, the damage bonus does not add a significant amount of DPS. The main hand damage bonus at 60 is 11. This means that with a 20 delay weapon, your main hand damage bonus would add 6.5 DPS, while with a 40 delay weapon the increase would be 3.25. In other words, a wurmslayer's high delay will account for, at best, a 4-point base DPS difference, since few weapons in the Kunark era have a delay lower than 18.

The math is solid, and the fact remains that regardless of how slow it is, the Wurmslayer is still one of the best tradable 1HS weapons in the game (excluding knight-only ones) even for main hand use.

The only detriment it will suffer when nerfed is the inability to dual wield them, which is the real reason they were nerfed in the first place.

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Lucia Moonglow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even in the primary hand, the damage/delay ratio on a Wurmslayer makes it a powerful mainhand. A lot of the negative stigma attached to the weapon was based on the false belief that your offhand only has a chance to swing when your main hand does. This is false. It is also based off of the idea that fast weapons mean more agro for warriors, when it's simply damage output that makes this determination, as I've seen by consistently pulling agro off of warriors while using the Wurmslayer myself

I dont know what your real point is, and dont care. Warrior aggro is so shit fuck broke that you should not use it as a point in any sentence other than "Fix warrior aggro".

Oh right, you bought 2 of these for some reason to DW knowing that a "Lore" nerf was coming, and now you want a heads up to warn you about the nerf so you dont have to deal with ramifications of the decision that you made.

[Lucia Moonglow]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont know what your real point is, and dont care.

Ouch, that says a lot for your reading comprehension. My point is that the Wurmslayer won't be rendered worthless after the primary-only nerf. That was pretty clear, actually...how did you not get that?

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warrior aggro is so shit fuck broke that you should not use it as a point in any sentence other than "Fix warrior aggro".

I agree that warrior agro is broke, but welcome to classic EQ. It was broken until the Blade of Carnage in Velious, and even then wasn't truly fixed until warriors gained the Incite line of abilities during either Luclin or PoP. I think they should forego "classic authenticity" and fix it, just like I think they should remove the hybrid penalty because let's face it, it was there in classic, but it's not responsible for the "classic feel", nor is it justified. Even Verant admitted that.

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh right, you bought 2 of these for some reason to DW knowing that a "Lore" nerf was coming, and now you want a heads up to warn you about the nerf so you dont have to deal with ramifications of the decision that you made.

Oooh, aggressive and for no reason! Nice.

Again, reading comprehension is your friend. I said it would be nice if they gave a heads up to the primary only change, but if you actually read my post, you'll see that my real concern is actually the rumors that they're going to become Lore Items because on live this never happened. Also, I didn't buy them "knowing that a "Lore" nerf was coming". Again, I fail to see where you even see that. What I said was they are rumors.

There's no need to get hostile, especially when you don't even know what you're raging about. The "Rants, Flames, and NSFW" forum is that way.

[Doors]

I don't think it would be a bad thing to get GM clarification on a popular weapon like this one.

[Poeshoe]

i just wanted to log on and say sethius you seem like a huge d-bag. why dont you grow up asshat. Also, i feel the wurmy would be useless after the nerf, with the exception of one or two class builds.

[Lucia Moonglow]

Originally Posted by Poeshoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i just wanted to log on and say sethius you seem like a huge d-bag. why dont you grow up asshat. Also, i feel the wurmy would be useless after the nerf, with the exception of one or two class builds.

I would love to know how you think it would be useless.

No, that's not sarcasm or antagonism, I am honestly curious to know what would be better since I currently plan to use one in my main hand even after the nerf.

[greatdane]

Wurmslayer is a fairly good weapon, especially until level 45 or so when your damage bonus becomes less negligible. Really fast weapons like JM and SCD start to lose some appeal in the very endgame when 100% haste becomes realistic, because melee attacks can't go below 10 modified delay. If you're haste-capped, which is possible with the best haste item and buff, your 9/18 weapon basically becomes a 9/20 weapon. That doesn't make Wurmslayer better because it isn't a truly endgame weapon, but it's something to consider anyway. A lot of those 13/17ish NToV weapons were considered unimpressive for this reason while many of the best weapons were 15/20.

[Lucia Moonglow]

That's my point, really. The damage bonus is small, people don't see that.

The damage bonus difference between a wurmslayer and a jade mace is about 4 DPS at level 60, and at lower levels the wurmslayer is actually better.

People talk crap about the weapon mostly because it's slow, but it's one of the best buyable 1HS weapons in the game and is an awesome twink weapon for a character once they hit level 20.

Nobody's claiming that it's an endgame weapon, but to call it useless merely because it's primary only is a very uninformed statement.

[Poeshoe]

Just thinking depending on your race class, there are oodles of better ratios out there for hybrids/ Warriors (proccing weapons) etc. why would you want a weapon with a huge delay when you could have an 18/26 or a 17/30 or something similar. To each his own indeed. yea i dont know much about damage bonuses, and your right i had it pinned mainly on the delay, not the ratio or the bonus, all i know is i would probably go with a moss/lammy/noct blade/sword of the mourning

Honestly, i was just trying to learn something from this thread, and by doing that i had to tromp through a bunch of troll messages and it just pisses me off that people have to be so completely E-tarded instead of trying to be remotely helpful or informative in any way. So that was my reason for posting to be honest >.<