How strong a Shaman that never gets Torpor?

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Entee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I always remember people saying Enchanter was the hardest class to play and took the most skill?

It can certainly be very unforgiving and terribly inefficient if you're bad (frequently taking non-runed HP damage leads to lots of downtime)

[Zipity]

I’d say soloing on a bard takes the most skill, enchanter probably second, and an enchanter is hands down the best soloer... there are plenty of dungeon camps a torpor shaman wouldn’t be able to break or hold due to not being able to split a full camp or stuff respawning before they can kill, etc etc and where can an enchanter not find a pet? And really what can a shaman solo that an enchanter can’t?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Zipity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

where can an enchanter not find a pet?

I'm going to ignore all context and answer this literally. The Arena.

[Cen]

Mashing mobs together with charm dancing on my bard is a bit tougher to solo all the mobs in skyshrine with my bard but playing Enchanter is ludecrously easier then people make it out to be. Its just too ridiculously powerful with 0 skill and if you put in effort you're a god. If you want a god class as easily and cheaply as possible, Enchanter is your answer.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Cen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mashing mobs together with charm dancing on my bard is a bit tougher to solo all the mobs in skyshrine with my bard but playing Enchanter is ludecrously easier then people make it out to be. Its just too ridiculously powerful with 0 skill and if you put in effort you're a god. If you want a god class as easily and cheaply as possible, Enchanter is your answer.

If you think enchanter is 0 skill you're not playing at an appropriate level of complexity.

[Cen]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think enchanter is 0 skill you're not playing at an appropriate level of complexity.

You used that fallacious line of reasoning backwards. You're supposed to say that when the person is complaining that something is ineffective when it's actually effective. However, if a dumbass like me is saying he considers something ridiculously easy and effective, then someone playing at "an appropriate level of complexity" must make the class a god.

Unless you're saying that I am too amazing and playing too well and should be trying less hard on purpose.. but that seems like an even more silly thing to say.

[kjs86z]

Originally Posted by Cen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You used that fallacious line of reasoning backwards. You're supposed to say that when the person is complaining that something is ineffective when it's actually effective. However, if a dumbass like me is saying he considers something ridiculously easy and effective, then someone playing at "an appropriate level of complexity" must make the class a god.

Unless you're saying that I am too amazing and playing too well and should be trying less hard on purpose.. but that seems like an even more silly thing to say.

Try the Enchanter Solo Artist Challenge sometime in Velious and lemme know how ya make out.

[GnomeCaptain]

Ignore the trolls, Enchanter is one of the toughest (if not the toughest) to play well.

I've played it for a couple years, and long ago I lost count of all the Enchanters that try very hard but can't do it well. The reward for skill and planning is enormous. And so are the penalties for their absence.

Other classes are much less challenging, though soloing in dynamic situations as a Bard might be tougher.

[Bigsham]

Torpor is not that rare or hard to get at all, it drops from every crappy dragon , juggs, bosses etc

as long as you are active you will get it

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Bigsham [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Torpor is not that rare or hard to get at all, it drops from every crappy dragon , juggs, bosses etc

as long as you are active you will get it

It can be a pita. Do regular jugs drop it on blue? I thought only jumpy, protecter, and crypt boss aside from Trak in seb.