Approaching peak Orwell

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet nobody wants to address the dozens of black on black murders in nearly every major US city every weekend. And if you do point that out, you're automatically a racist.

I think people do want to address that, it's just that there's only so many things people can address, and the thing they're trying to address isn't random people killing other random people, it's law enforcement officers killing civilians.

If anyone's issue with a movement is that they don't subsequently also try to solve every related problem, that person is unreasonable and looking for excuses to disagree with that movement. That's sort of like being upset at a breast cancer walk for not being about every single kind of cancer.

[Castle2.0]

You could just try not being a racist for once? Only racists seem to be bothered by BLM.

We all think X. Anyone who doesn't think X must be a criminal.

Criminalizing thought and speech. This is exactly what OP is talking about.

Yet nobody wants to address the dozens of black on black murders in nearly every major US city every weekend. And if you do point that out, you're automatically a racist.

Majority of crimes are Race X on Race X - goes for white, black, Mexican, or w/e. Won't get into reasons, but stats are similar across the board.

See homicide for example: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-3.xls

Agree that US cities are becoming war zones. We need some more law and order, DUN DUN DUNNN....

[Ennewi]

Freedom of speech < responsibility of thought. Everything we say and do is not without consequence, positive or negative, to varying degrees...even with the relative anonymity that the internet affords.

Also, if the name is going to be thrown around in a thread like this, it's worth mentioning that Orwell was a democratic socialist.

[Kaveh]

Violent crime is up. Fun fact: as a result of these protests, more blacks will die this year. They’ll be killed by other blacks, but hey as long as a white dude didn’t do it while kneeling on the black dudes neck!!!!

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Violent crime is up. Fun fact: as a result of these protests, more blacks will die this year. They’ll be killed by other blacks, but hey as long as a white dude didn’t do it while kneeling on the black dudes neck!!!!

It's worse if a state agent does it, which is the genesis of the movement anyway.

Please integrate.

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Violent crime is up. Fun fact: as a result of these protests, more blacks will die this year. They’ll be killed by other blacks, but hey as long as a white dude didn’t do it while kneeling on the black dudes neck!!!!

Why are you so defensive about this?

It's pretty easy to hold simultaneous views about the topic...

[Danth]

My memory of "1984" was that the worst oppression was mostly directed at the upper middle class and low-end wealthy--basically the people the powerful elites were most concerned with. The rank-and-file citizenry was kept poor, ignorant, and largely powerless but not necessarily all that heavily oppressed in the direct sense. At least that's my admittedly dim memory of a book I read perhaps 25 or 30 years ago and did not particularly care for.

We're in a future all our own. Just about nobody saw the internet coming and the impact of social media and the internet has far exceeded the ability of human cultures to keep pace. Today's troubles will be one of the corrections that must inevitably occur as society tries to catch up. There will be others.

Danth

[Trexller]

Yeah Orwell was a clairvoyant.

[Castle2.0]

Orwell was largely right about his views in 1984 - so what if he was a "democratic socialist"? The irony is that one of socialism's many flaws is it leads to too much state power - the power needed to do the terrible things you read in 1984.

I'm not sure how he reconciled those views.

Also, it is possible to agree and disagree with the same person on different topics (without "cancelling" them [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]) He is right in 1984 about socialism, he is wrong about his version of socialism he supported.

"It's never been done right. If it were done my way, it would work."

Says every socialist simp and wanna-be / actual dictator, ha.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Orwell was largely right about his views in 1984 - so what if he was a "democratic socialist"? The irony is that one of socialism's many flaws is it leads to too much state power - the power needed to do the terrible things you read in 1984.

I'm not sure how he reconciled those views.

Also, it is possible to agree and disagree with the same person on different topics (without "cancelling" them [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]) He is right in 1984 about socialism, he is wrong about his version of socialism he supported.

"It's never been done right. If it were done my way, it would work."

Says every socialist simp and wanna-be / actual dictator, ha.

When are you people going to learn that it's less about the form of government and more about culture and values. Capitalism, democratic socialism, fascism, or even communism could all be shitty or great forms of government depending on the people practicing them.

Socialism works quite well in Nordic countries where this a strong sense of civic duty, protestant work ethic, personal responsibility, it works less well in places with high levels of corruption or highly multicultural, fragmented societies (Venezuela, USSR, etc).

Likewise, capitalism is pretty great when it is underlied by a value system that negates some of its inhumane aspects. You see this in the difference between the American idyll of Jeffersonian Democracy vs. Chinese capitalism where they are dumping toxins in baby formula and cutting rice with plastic, although American capitalism has always been pretty shitty but is quickly descending to China levels compared to its apogee in the 1950's.

The ideal system is the one that maximizes prosperity and equity for a given culture, and for the United States it's really anyone's guess which one that is. But when people are talking about wanting things to be more "socialist" I think what they mean is they want a country that is more equitable in terms of equality of opportunity and the standard of living for wageslaves and you really have to be a high-grade piece of shit to be against that just because you are afraid of some Soviet strawman Fox News has shoved in your face.