there is a private list system going on at AC in OOT?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Donkey Hotay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Or how about this thread (oh hey! Loramin is being a supercilious prig again) where this camper just has rings on demand. Nah, I'm sure Green is totally different because there's a google doc.

Ok, first off, my post was not that long; instead of linking you easily could have quoted it:

Originally Posted by Loramin

Well, you don't know the details though. It's not against the rules to corpse a ring from a Ro (ie. FTE/non-camped) cyclops.

Also if you're doing the OOT one at some ungodly hour of the night/morning and no one else is in line for the camp, you're allowed to corpse as many rings as you want. Or, if you want to get a ring, corpse it, and get back in line, that's legal too.

And having done that ... wow, what a horrible post I made! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I was totally "being a supercilious prig again" ... by correctly stating the rules, and mentioning some relevant exceptions.

[Donkey Hotay]

Except I did know the details and you were once again assuming your audience was a 3rd grader in need of directions to a hall pass--like a supercilious prig.

[Albane]

Remind me to come charm him and take him far far away from whatever bullshit list you guys made up.

[charmcitysking]

Originally Posted by Albane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remind me to come charm him and take him far far away from whatever bullshit list you guys made up.

look out folks

[Taiku]

I don't like that you can remain on list while not in zone. So there's no point to waiting there at the camp for your turn? Unless someone breaks the "community list rules"?

[Toothed]

scum

[Jimjam]

IF YOU'RE NOT ON THE LIST YOU'RE NOT GETTING rINg!

[Donkey Hotay]

Okay, that lines up with what my guess was. Cohencidentally, just like the list system, it has a convenient backdoor that allows the (donating?) pixel addicts and RMTers to dominate the list just as they always have.

Strange how that GM bandwidth never runs out on raid night though.

[fastboy21]

The list system (not /list, I mean the rules for player made lists) is easily abused by someone who wants to abuse it.

For all intents and purposes...whoever has a camp can hand it off (as long as they don't fumble the hand off) to whomever they want.

If you want to break the rules, which are essentially impossible to get caught breaking, you can pass the camp to...yourself. Grats. You can lock a camp down forever in EQ.

You are required to tell anyone who asks who is next on the list...but there is no way that a player can verify that the answer is honest. It could be a player offline, it could the camp holders alt, it could be a total fiction made up...you'd never be able to know if someone was pulling something or not.

You are required to pass the camp to whomever your "next" is if the item you are camping drops. Again, no way to know this is being honored at most camps.

For example...lets say necro uberpants is holding down the fbss camp. You want to camp it too...so you ask uberpants who is next on the list. Uberpants replies "i'm here camping the FBSS...next on the list is PoopiePants." [This is all he has to say to you, ever.]

Player PoopiePants doesn't exist by the way...but thats okay as you are standing there a frenzied pops and Uberpants quickly goes to work dropping him easily. You ask Uberpants "hey, did you get your fbss?" --- Uberpants [lyingly] says "Nope...stupid ring again." [No way for you to check this.] Meanwhile, Uberpants good guild friend, Shitbag, comes over to camp to take the FBSS [they are lore] off Uberpants hands so that they can keep farming them.

Congrats Uberpants, Shitbag, and Poopiepants [if he existed] on being a dicks.

/List it all imo...tweak the rules slightly to make it even better...but /list it all.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The list system (not /list, I mean the rules for player made lists) is easily abused by someone who wants to abuse it.

For all intents and purposes...whoever has a camp can hand it off (as long as they don't fumble the hand off) to whomever they want.

If you want to break the rules, which are essentially impossible to get caught breaking, you can pass the camp to...yourself. Grats. You can lock a camp down forever in EQ.

You are required to tell anyone who asks who is next on the list...but there is no way that a player can verify that the answer is honest. It could be a player offline, it could the camp holders alt, it could be a total fiction made up...you'd never be able to know if someone was pulling something or not.

You are required to pass the camp to whomever your "next" is if the item you are camping drops. Again, no way to know this is being honored at most camps.

For example...lets say necro uberpants is holding down the fbss camp. You want to camp it too...so you ask uberpants who is next on the list. Uberpants replies "i'm here camping the FBSS...next on the list is PoopiePants." [This is all he has to say to you, ever.]

Player PoopiePants doesn't exist by the way...but thats okay as you are standing there a frenzied pops and Uberpants quickly goes to work dropping him easily. You ask Uberpants "hey, did you get your fbss?" --- Uberpants [lyingly] says "Nope...stupid ring again." [No way for you to check this.] Meanwhile, Uberpants good guild friend, Shitbag, comes over to camp to take the FBSS [they are lore] off Uberpants hands so that they can keep farming them.

Congrats Uberpants, Shitbag, and Poopiepants [if he existed] on being a dicks.

/List it all imo...tweak the rules slightly to make it even better...but /list it all.

Yup. There's the "letter of the law" (what little we have here), and then there's the practical details of what actually happens in-game, which can have some very different results.

But that goes both ways: while everything you said is true, it's also possible that if you petition Necro Uberpants, and a GM comes out and observes invisibly at the right time, that Uberpants might get in trouble. It's not likely, and of course you'd have to observed Uberpants acting shady for awhile before you'd ever petition ... but it is possible.

P.S. I'm with you on /list: more automated GMing for P99! Fair rules that everyone can easily know, because the game enforces them [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]