there is a private list system going on at AC in OOT?

[Sabin76]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The legit camping concerns are items that not sold (either because they are hoarding or the item isn't MQable/Droppable).

Right, which the RotA is for INT casters. Not everyone wanting to camp AC for the ring wants the boots. On the other hand, there is ONE other option that I mentioned earlier, and that is buying loot rights from the camper... but that feels like list jumping for plat, and might even be considered cheating the system, so I don't know how people feel about that.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I see people talking past each other about solutions because they see different problems (or no problem at all). I just wanted to highlight that.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Sabin76 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

buying loot rights from the camper... but that feels like list jumping for plat, and might even be considered cheating the system, so I don't know how people feel about that.

Selling loot rights has been clearly established as acceptable here. There was even a time when a GM seemed to say it wasn't, and then corrected himself and clarified it was allowed.

The only time it's not is if a player agreement forbids it: you can't sell your winning roll for Shady Goblin, for instance.

[Sabin76]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Selling loot rights has been clearly established as acceptable here.

Huh... that's quite interesting. I mean, on the one hand you are essentially buying off the current camp holder to take their place in line, jumping everyone else in the process. On the other hand, it's their camp currently, so it's not exactly like they are handing it off to the highest bidder... presumably the camp holder is still the camp holder after the transaction.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to farm an FBSS you need to roll a solo class and go sit until you get the camp...and then when you get it you don't leave...ever. There are other routes (guild farming grps, etc.), but this is normal EQ. This is the EQ way.

You aren't going to get to farm your own FBSS if you can only play a couple hours at a time, aren't a solo class, and don't have friends helping you do it. This is the EQ way.

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Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a Blue boy (with a bit of Red alt), through and through. But the title of this thread made me genuinely concerned for the life expectancy of Green. The last thing Green needs is another TMO coming in and monopolizing the entire server by putting a steel padlock on all the high-end Raid and Epic content.

This is why I dream of two servers: a "casual" server ("Teal") where raid content is rotated, as if this place was a museum and everyone should have a chance to see the exhibits ... and a "competition" server ("Green"), where people who want the classically competitive "uber guild monopolizes everything" experience can get it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But since I doubt I'll ever see those two servers ... another part of EQ is either joining your server's uber guild, or learning to live without the coolest raid toys (even things we think of as not being uberguild content on Blue ... like epics). This is the way.

[aaezil]

This thread is hilarious and classic p99 forums.

Everyone has their own pet idea about “how the list rules work” but all of you are wrong/half wrong

The gms just rule based on what they are seeing and how they feel that day thats how its always been here.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is hilarious and classic p99 forums.

Everyone has their own pet idea about “how the list rules work” but all of you are wrong/half wrong

The gms just rule based on what they are seeing and how they feel that day thats how its always been here.

I wouldn't say its that unpredictable in my experience. Its more like having a human referee in a sport...its easy to armchair the rules book and be a rules-lawyer, but somebody has to make an actual decision on the fly with information they have at that moment.

Certainly not perfect...but it seems to work.

[fastboy21]

AFAIK, you are allowed to sell/buy loot rights to any item in the game.

You are also allowed to sell your camp itself AFAIK.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AFAIK, you are allowed to sell/buy loot rights to any item in the game.

You are also allowed to sell your camp itself AFAIK.

Inb4 someone tries to sell Trakanon Guts to a Bard on green for 300kpp.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Inb4 someone tries to sell Trakanon Guts to a Bard on green for 300kpp.

Yes, this is perfectly okay...as long as they aren't breaking any other rules to do it.

Yes, it is weird...but it is a legit part of the game. The game takes care of this for the most part as the market price of such items would be so astronomically high that the odds of finding a guild selling them and buyer buying them would be a very small part of the overall population while we are in era.

On Blue this happens all the time...because the items have been dropping for years by now.

And, on blue...I had to buy my bard's white scale for epic. Was totally normal thing to do...and I was happy that I could do it as farming the scale itself was impossible for me at the time.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AFAIK, you are allowed to sell/buy loot rights to any item in the game.

You are also allowed to sell your camp itself AFAIK.

Well except player agreements ... which are about "turn-in rights" and so arguably aren't "camps" (and so maybe I'm just agreeing with you) ... do "trump" that I think. Emphasis added:

Originally Posted by https://wiki.project1999.com/Scout_Charisa/Player_Agreement

THE RULES ARE AS FOLLOW FOR ROLLING Scout Charisa:

YOU MUST HAVE THE Scout Tools. You win the roll, you turn in tools, you loot the disc. If you do not follow this rule you will be petitioned.