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[Nirgon]

Ok go make <Light Women of Faydwer> and do it big like us.

I honestly hope you do. I am trying to promote RP chartered guilds working together rather than trendy_named_raid_zerg_02 being the choices for guilds here.

[ClephNote]

What guild is Yendor in? What has his guild killed that DMO hasn't?

Honest question!

[Nirgon]

Honestly since we brought up voting, I'll extrapolate on my previous statement.

I think its much better for guilds to be split up, fairly independent crews working together and each with a vote. More diverse guilds with at least an attempt at an RP themed charter is great for the overall feel of the server. The game used to be like that.

However, there aren't as many as you think that are willing to put in all the effort and organization of even maintaining a discord server with permissions. I'd much rather there were more independently thinking guilds, each with a vote, than 2 mega guilds.

You will notice I never included Seal Team in any of our Tranix kills and they never had a meltdown about us playing by the rules. I don't have a crown, Snewp does and the rest who have them don't show up hardcore for every raid day (or ever at all for major targets). Seal Team was well within their rights to be like hey, you're taking Tranixes for fairly inactive players, we're supposed to be allies and you're "taking our shit". But they didn't. They realized we're a non UN guild (not by choice) and playing by the server rules and that was that.

So what happened? The 2 mega guilds had it out, things start to go a certain way. The second mega guild getting less mobs begins a mob rule campaign against the other. Now we have all this.

Who the hell cares about most of these dragon loots now? Most of em were weak to begin with and now the clickable ones are 1/100th their previous usefulness. So you've basically boiled it down to wild accusation flinging over next to useless shit (bard cant even proc tash orb and stack it with enchanter tash here) minus the dragon haste items, and the raid mobs die in under a minute anyways with or without them.

Is your time and energy better spent flinging accusations and spamming the staff over every loss without hard evidence? Or is it better to focus on optimizing your raid forces, making/playing alts together (for actual team building) and stacking BIS planar gear and being happy with that. I think you may realize now which matters much more especially in the long run. This obsessive focus on the top 1% of pixels, that aren't even a big deal (esp not anymore since the non classic nerfs) is nuts and a true sign of dragon sickness. Snap out of it, enjoy leveling some alts and actually playing the other 99% of the game. DMO has incredible member cohesion, we are very tight knit, know each other well and love succeeding together. It's a far cry from logging into some faceless blob of people who share your tags that you barely talk to or know at all.


(I was referring to "dumpster rangers" in general when referring to Yendor, not that he's a terrible player or anything and want to clarify that statement)

One more time, now that we've all vented, let's be pals.

[SloydsKnife]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You will notice I never included Seal Team in any of our Tranix kills and they never had a meltdown about us playing by the rules. I don't have a crown, Snewp does and the rest who have them don't show up hardcore for every raid day (or ever at all for major targets). Seal Team was well within their rights to be like hey, you're taking Tranixes for fairly inactive players, we're supposed to be allies and you're "taking our shit". But they didn't. They realized we're a non UN guild (not by choice) and playing by the server rules and that was that.

Or maaaybe ST has been pushing for you guys to be their 2nd vote and their willing to put up with your shit a bit because it pays off for them down the line? Also the reason you shit on Yendor's 'moo should get to vote on FG related things' proposal.

Also, you know, having some alts get Tranix crowns doesn't hurt em either right?

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is your time and energy better spent flinging accusations and spamming the staff over every loss without hard evidence? Or is it better to focus on optimizing your raid forces, making/playing alts together (for actual team building) and stacking BIS planar gear and being happy with that. I think you may realize now which matters much more especially in the long run. This obsessive focus on the top 1% of pixels, that aren't even a big deal (esp not anymore since the non classic nerfs) is nuts and a true sign of dragon sickness. Snap out of it, enjoy leveling some alts and actually playing the other 99% of the game. DMO has incredible member cohesion, we are very tight knit, know each other well and love succeeding together. It's a far cry from logging into some faceless blob of people who share your tags that you barely talk to or know at all.

I mean people level alts and get to know each other in big guilds too. Yeah it's a bit 'clicky' but people do things together, people farm loot together, people do QM spawns together etc. We organize lists for the OOT AC for the community, do naked Gnome Races, drunken brawls and races together.

We do know each other, you just don't know us. We are a big nameless faceless blob TO YOU.

And yeah members of these big guilds do want loot. So what? Was there not a time in your EQ career when you wanted drops? There are a good number of people who came back after years gone and they wanna kill dragons. There are people who want to learn how to raid lead and manage 60+ people on an engagement. There are people that wanna look into game mechanics and pour over the wayback machine to make bug reports, or make bots and APIs to make raid leading smoother. There are people that wanna research things and update the wiki. There are altaholics and a ton of other people doing tons of other things.

People in these big guilds are getting something out of being in them. It may not be what you look to get out of EQ but it is equally valid. We have a bigger community and so on the broad sense, less tight nit but person to person there are connections. There are perhaps some 'cliques' involved but you can learn from all these people because there is an expert at a lot of things.

So yeah, big guilds offer shit too. Yes small guild offer something else. That's fine. Don't disparage people for wanting to get loot and kill dragons. Why not?

Yeah there are some issues with the raid scene but I don't see you guys fixing them. I see you guys stirring shit and helping ST vie for position so they can pass certain legislation because ST is just as loot hungry as everyone else, but they're your BFFs so it doesn't really matter now does it?

As an aside, this was one of the more cogent rants I've seen out of you guys, so props I guess?

[beep_bop_fembot]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly since we brought up voting, I'll extrapolate on my previous statement.

I think its much better for guilds to be split up, fairly independent crews working together and each with a vote. More diverse guilds with at least an attempt at an RP themed charter is great for the overall feel of the server. The game used to be like that.

However, there aren't as many as you think that are willing to put in all the effort and organization of even maintaining a discord server with permissions. I'd much rather there were more independently thinking guilds, each with a vote, than 2 mega guilds.

You will notice I never included Seal Team in any of our Tranix kills and they never had a meltdown about us playing by the rules. I don't have a crown, Snewp does and the rest who have them don't show up hardcore for every raid day (or ever at all for major targets). Seal Team was well within their rights to be like hey, you're taking Tranixes for fairly inactive players, we're supposed to be allies and you're "taking our shit". But they didn't. They realized we're a non UN guild (not by choice) and playing by the server rules and that was that.

So what happened? The 2 mega guilds had it out, things start to go a certain way. The second mega guild getting less mobs begins a mob rule campaign against the other. Now we have all this.

Who the hell cares about most of these dragon loots now? Most of em were weak to begin with and now the clickable ones are 1/100th their previous usefulness. So you've basically boiled it down to wild accusation flinging over next to useless shit (bard cant even proc tash orb and stack it with enchanter tash here) minus the dragon haste items, and the raid mobs die in under a minute anyways with or without them.

Is your time and energy better spent flinging accusations and spamming the staff over every loss without hard evidence? Or is it better to focus on optimizing your raid forces, making/playing alts together (for actual team building) and stacking BIS planar gear and being happy with that. I think you may realize now which matters much more especially in the long run. This obsessive focus on the top 1% of pixels, that aren't even a big deal (esp not anymore since the non classic nerfs) is nuts and a true sign of dragon sickness. Snap out of it, enjoy leveling some alts and actually playing the other 99% of the game. DMO has incredible member cohesion, we are very tight knit, know each other well and love succeeding together. It's a far cry from logging into some faceless blob of people who share your tags that you barely talk to or know at all.


(I was referring to "dumpster rangers" in general when referring to Yendor, not that he's a terrible player or anything and want to clarify that statement)

One more time, now that we've all vented, let's be pals.

You're a small time, tight knit, guild that wants a vote like the big guilds so you caused controversy and went out of your way to make people angry over "FGs". I get that everyone is cooped up because of the coronavirus and of course it's fun to cause drama on a game where you've done everything a million times over though. This is the probably the closest thing to PVPing on Red.

Also, isn't your main that monk in Seal Team?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(I was referring to "dumpster rangers" in general when referring to Yendor, not that he's a terrible player or anything and want to clarify that statement

No, you were right... I'm a shitty ranger. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Phaezed-Reality]

3 members raid within the ST alliance, the other 20 don't. Don't let the propaganda fool you. they keep twisting our words and fitting them into their narrative that makes them look like not the bad guys.

[Lostfaction]

LOL the first thing DMO/ST bring to vote... this is all about giving ST another vote to gain a competitive advantage and hinder their competition. This has nothing to do with DMO or small guilds. DMO does not give a shit about small guilds or their non-raiding members. Only trolling and giving their mains in ST.