Proposed amendment to Scout Roll

[LazyHydras]

aaaaand another lvl50 druid wins scout roll again. Idk about you guys, but I'm straight up not going to help if another lvl50 wins.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by LazyHydras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

aaaaand another lvl50 druid wins scout roll again. Idk about you guys, but I'm straight up not going to help if another lvl50 wins.

Pft don’t help any of those priests or silkies. Tanks only!

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

silkies

Ok, NOW we have a good issue. I get way more rustled by someone taking the robe than by a level 50 winning. At least the priests and melee winning at any level are using the quest for a badass item, not just throwing the spawn away.

[Fammaden]

The only reason I can see to have a level restriction is if you are too low to contribute to the fight. Given the number of people showing up 50+ seems appropriate enough.

That being said, scout roll is one of the few successful and long running cooperative agreements surrounding a high end goal that exists in this otherwise cutthroat community. Why fuck with a good thing and potentially make it worse.

Scout isn't perfect, but it seems to be a good candidate for "if it ain't broke don't fix it". And I'm sorry but a 53 alt winning a roll doesn't make it broken. That dude could be your buddy and or guild mate next week for all you know, let him have his moment. Plenty of 55+ players win it as well, more likely they are the majority of winners.

[LazyHydras]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only reason I can see to have a level restriction is if you are too low to contribute to the fight. Given the number of people showing up 50+ seems appropriate enough.

That being said, scout roll is one of the few successful and long running cooperative agreements surrounding a high end goal that exists in this otherwise cutthroat community. Why fuck with a good thing and potentially make it worse.

Scout isn't perfect, but it seems to be a good candidate for "if it ain't broke don't fix it". And I'm sorry but a 53 alt winning a roll doesn't make it broken. That dude could be your buddy and or guild mate next week for all you know, let him have his moment. Plenty of 55+ players win it as well, more likely they are the majority of winners.

I have nothing against the person behind the player. I'm just saying that they should be of level to materially contribute to the fight in order to roll. I would gladly welcome a lvl50 as my guildmate and even help them level up so they could be useful! But, yea. I would prefer scout roll be 55+

OR

Adopt Loramin's suggestion of Bring-Your-Own-Group and /list for each group.

[kaizersoze]

In b4 Ghxst comes in and clickfests it with their own force. Take the agreement as it is and try again later or get ready to clickfest.

[LazyHydras]

Originally Posted by kaizersoze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In b4 Ghxst comes in and clickfests it with their own force. Take the agreement as it is and try again later or get ready to clickfest.

What is it with people thinking that there's somehow only 2 options: an unchangeable agreement or clickfiesta?


It's a pretty defeatist attitude and leads to stuff like 10 seconds rolls at Angry Gobbo (or the infamous 5 second roll at Shady Gobbo). We are all adults here and should be able to add amendments. 50+ people logging in for every Scout Roll is just an absolute cluster at this point. Anyone can show up with a lvl50 toon unable to really contribute to the fight and win and then park another lvl50 toon and the cycle continues.

[kaizersoze]

Originally Posted by LazyHydras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is it with people thinking that there's somehow only 2 options: an unchangeable agreement or clickfiesta?


It's a pretty defeatist attitude and leads to stuff like 10 seconds rolls at Angry Gobbo (or the infamous 5 second roll at Shady Gobbo). We are all adults here and should be able to add amendments. 50+ people logging in for every Scout Roll is just an absolute cluster at this point. Anyone can show up with a lvl50 toon unable to really contribute to the fight and win and then park another lvl50 toon and the cycle continues.

I mean how are you going to enforce it though. All someone needs to do is /anonymous and you cant see their level. Do you just not help regardless because you cant see their level? If they should do anything to make scout "harder" for low levels to do, its add more barrier to the quest than just base faction of amiable because all you need for that is a few hours in kael. Im not fond of losing roll either, was fortunate enough to win 2 on my rogue within 3 days, but if someone's there and helping, they deserve just as much of a chance as you do.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by LazyHydras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are all adults here

HILARIOUS. Really great stuff man, I enjoy comedy.

[kaizersoze]

You also cant be so blind as to see that if it did become a "bring your own force" type thing like say, ring war or any FTE target, why would there even be a roll anymore? It would straight up devolve into clickfest naturally because a few people wouldnt want to wait and because "muh competition." The people you're trying to reason with into not going to clickfest at that point are the same ones that sit in place or 15 hours to be the first to coth for statue / yelinak etc because rotations make you softer than charmin.