Ya know i just cant wait for 99 RED..

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Four or five weeks after I started playing WoW in Vanilla (my first char was a hunter), I played my friends' 60 undead rogue for an hour or two doing Tarren Mill/Southshore PvP. After a short 15 minute learning curve to figure out what the abilities did, I was already demolishing most of the other players.

Later on, when BGs came out, I was easily one of the highest ranked in every BG (except AV, which is slightly more difficult for rogues without organization), even though I never played a rogue on my own account.

Rogues just have too much control - particularly against most cloth/leather (not mages). Resto shamans were another easymode kill.

Abacab provided the cruise control version of rogues:



With good gear, you can kill most average to below average players this way.

But you can have even more fun with this little rotation, esp if you know the person doesn't use their trinket or has already used it:

CS > mutilate > Kidney shot > Mutilate > Evisc > blind > re-stealth > Sap for DR timers > Maybe re-sap for a little extra time > CS > Mutilate > Kidney shot > Mutilate > Evisc

You can throw in a vanish/Ambush or a number of other moves situationally.

There are similar class-based combos if you know how to use Evasion/CoS/Shadowstep/Dismantle(Resto shaman without a shield = lolz damage)/Etc that entirely throw them off their game. Dismantling a hunter was plain hilarious.

I dunno though, I haven't PvPed in Cataclysm. Maybe rogues suck. But I doubt it.

Rogues don't suck, they just look like they do now. The gear models are horrible.

Rogues are not as strong as what they were back during S2-S4 arena in BC. They changed them in cata so they have more self healing, like a feral druid, except after it proved to be useful they nerfed it. So they took them from a Bursting/CC class to a Outlasting/CC class. It may be different now, but judging from the Rogue forum posts and how they are exactly the same as 8months or so ago, i doubt it.

Rogues are just harder to get high KBs and Dmg in BGs compared to other classes that can just sit back and cast.

but I'm sure WoW pro's will disagree. Rogues are always OP.

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Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogues don't suck, they just look like they do now. The gear models are horrible.

Rogues are not as strong as what they were back during S2-S4 arena in BC. They changed them in cata so they have more self healing, like a feral druid, except after it proved to be useful they nerfed it. So they took them from a Bursting/CC class to a Outlasting/CC class. It may be different now, but judging from the Rogue forum posts and how they are exactly the same as 8months or so ago, i doubt it.

Rogues are just harder to get high KBs and Dmg in BGs compared to other classes that can just sit back and cast.

but I'm sure WoW pro's will disagree. Rogues are always OP.

Bro Abacab, do I need to go off on this kid? Just last night I got a screen of 3 mil dmg and 4th HEALING as a rogue. Solo queuing against mouth breathers IS HARD.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Rogues just have too much control - particularly against most cloth/leather (not mages). Resto shamans were another easymode kill.

Abacab provided the cruise control version of rogues:



CS > mutilate > Kidney shot > Mutilate > Evisc > blind > re-stealth > Sap for DR timers > Maybe re-sap for a little extra time > CS > Mutilate > Kidney shot > Mutilate > Evisc

You can throw in a vanish/Ambush or a number of other moves situationally.

I PvP mostly as fury so my weakness from rogues comes from cheat death, evasion and dismantle since my spec completely revolves around "ground and pound" style tactics, their stuns rarely do anything to me but it's the avoidance of combat which can make a rogue deadly for myself because I rely on out-damaging them.

Usually to fight rogues I let them do their routine and trinket their kidney shot then it goes like this:

Intimidating shot > heroic leap => Intercept> Bloodthirst > Raging blow > HS > HS >HS > Bloodthirst

If recklessness and deathwish are up one raging blow can drop a rogue from 100% to 20% at that point the begin to use dismantle, evasion and rely on the cheat death proc and if during that time they cannot successfully avoid my swings (I.E being dumb and continuing trying to out-DPS me) they'll die in under 10 seconds

But a rogues victory against a fury warrior really comes down to timing of their defensives, and if any of their defensive's are on CD they have already lost because they can't win a DPS battle

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lol wall-o-texts about WoW in 2011

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Abacab "The REAL truth" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I PvP mostly as fury so my weakness from rogues comes from cheat death, evasion and dismantle since my spec completely revolves around "ground and pound" style tactics, their stuns rarely do anything to me but it's the avoidance of combat which can make a rogue deadly for myself because I rely on out-damaging them.

Usually to fight rogues I let them do their routine and trinket their kidney shot then it goes like this:

Intimidating shot > heroic leap => Intercept> Bloodthirst > Raging blow > HS > HS >HS > Bloodthirst

If recklessness and deathwish are up one raging blow can drop a rogue from 100% to 20% at that point the begin to use dismantle, evasion and rely on the cheat death proc and if during that time they cannot successfully avoid my swings (I.E being dumb and continuing trying to out-DPS me) they'll die in under 10 seconds

But a rogues victory against a fury warrior really comes down to timing of their defensives, and if any of their defensive's are on CD they have already lost because they can't win a DPS battle

That sounds pretty boss - you're obviously one of the warriors i'd avoid unless I have support. Kidney shot or blind are the best places to trinket, situationally. Lots of people panic and trinket on cheap shots or even saps. My favorite players to lockdown are healers, though - because my time spent in the back lines locking them down while their friends are trying to capture a flag is well-spent.

Warriors were often a pain for me when the warrior knew how to dance against defensive cooldowns (popping a quick intimidating shout as soon as evasion is turned on and getting a little distance, then try to intercept before they trinket/WotF, etc). I figured out sometime in early BC/Late vanilla that when fighting MS warriors, it was actually better to pop evasion and eat the overpowers than eat everything else they'd hit you with.

Heck, i'd usually ignore warriors or just pester them with random saps/CC (unless I knew for a fact they were noobs) and let casters tear them up in a BG scenario. I'd rather be beating up healers/casters toward defending/attacking or catching some idiot feral druid by surprise. Taking them on toe-to-toe was somewhat of a dice roll. It was the only time it was actually effective to use that poison totem trinket from ZG, tho...

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Lol I was too busy camping thier graveyard two shoting thm ~

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The daily stompage

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Btw this is my first character, its not like im big abacab thats been playing for 6 years lol..


I dont have 56k hp either. Allmost 30k.

Ive seen rogues in my bracket with 41k hp.

Im not even a frost mage you twat, lol.

Again this is my first char, I bought some cat greens yesterday and now im pilaging buttholes like abacab still cant after 5 years.

So.. I had to teach myself how to pvp on this char... I did many battles not knowing what the hell i was supposed to do.

How great are your first characters % after 6 weeks? ;(

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Originally Posted by Seaweedpimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Btw this is my first character, its not like im big abacab thats been playing for 6 years lol..


I dont have 56k hp either. Allmost 30k.

Ive seen rogues in my bracket with 41k hp.

Im not even a frost mage you twat, lol.

Again this is my first char, I bought some cat greens yesterday and now im pilaging buttholes like abacab still cant after 5 years.

So.. I had to teach myself how to pvp on this char... I did many battles not knowing what the hell i was supposed to do.

How great are your first characters % after 6 weeks? ;(

I go at least 10x harder than you, got this character to level 85 in like 7 days played time:

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That's right nig, that's a FULL T11 DPS set, a FULL raid tank set, and a FULL suit of 365 viscous glad gear

Look at that shit bro

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Originally Posted by Abacab "The REAL truth" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I go at least 10x harder than you, got this character to level 85 in like 7 days played time:

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That's right nig, that's a FULL T11 DPS set, a FULL raid tank set, and a FULL suit of 365 viscous glad gear

Look at that shit bro

LOL

Seriously though it cant even be fun that way, Im taking my time for a reason. I could of leveled alot faster but i like to bg and just all around take my time because if i go strait to 85 on 12 chars in 2 months w full raid gear etc like you could, i could never actually have fun with this "casuals" dungeon play etc.

Im gonna learn all this shit till i cant take it anymore to step up to that.


Still though lol what kind of shit goes down when you do that? Does some of your hair fall out?