The Manastone Calculation

[Castle2.0]

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Disagreeing is fine. Name calling belongs in RnF. Those are the posts to which I am referring.

Back on topic: Manastone is awesome. WTS Manastone.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disagreeing is fine. Name calling belongs in RnF. Those are the posts to which I am referring.

Back on topic: Manastone is awesome. WTS Manastone.

Sorry you're upset that people called you certain names intended to illustrate the BS intent of your post. Maybe just stick to the trade forum where people aren't allowed to comment and maybe you'll get lucky and someone ill-informed will buy your MS at 200k

[Wallicker]

Also once you get manastone it just appreciates in value the longer you hold it, not to mention those 2-3days of camping your time wouldn’t be 100% maximized like it is camping a manastone. If you have the ability to camp a manastone nonstop for 50hrs you probably would be hard pressed to find another way to make 2k+ per hour consistently(it can be done but probably just as much of not more work and would be hard to do it in one 50hr spurt).

[Albane]

The only reason to have a Manastone is to be able to handle content you find challening. What in classic is challenging and requires extra mana? PoF was cleared 3 hours after it was released by over 200 people.

Manastone camps are one of those things that will make you sick when you look back on your time later in life.

[Taric]

Rumor has it that, whenever you are on Kunark or Velious, you can hear your Manastone weeping in your pocket.

[Castle2.0]

The only reason to have a Manastone is to be able to handle content you find challening

Bad assumption. Yes, an extra heal or nuke is great and a big reason -- and yes doing content with less gear, less people can make some things in classic challenging.

The big reason is less downtime. Downtime isn't challenging, it's just a drain on my play time. Invest X time now to get 2X or 3X time later.

Cd288, don't worry. I will sell The Manastone for a minimum of 200K when the time is right.

[Castle2.0]

I'd argue the average P99 Green player

The average green player won't be buying a manastone for many reasons, not the least of which is not enough plat in the bank.

Let's say someone is a bit more hardcore. They play ~3 hours of actual camping, kiting, porting, etc. a day. I wouldn't call this 'hardcore' by P99 standards - probably around average - but by your numbers.

A little over 5 months break even time. Not bad - since the above mentioned person will play beyond 5 months.

Also, when speaking of the price of a manastone in the market it's not based on the average joe, it's based on people actually buying/selling.

If you've seen an order book on an exchange -- see here: https://www.multitrader.io/wp-conten...o-15.26.33.png

There are lots of low offers of buyers and high offers of sellers. Where the real price is (the mid-market rate) where real transactions take place.

All that to say, it doesn't matter if 100 people say manastone is only worth 50-80k (right now) -- plenty of these people on the forums -- and it doesn't matter if 100 people say it's worth 500k (right now.) The real price is where the transaction takes place in the middle. My argument here is not about the real price of The Manastone at this point in time. I am simply showing how to help someone calculate it's worth by comparing the context of camping a manastone vs camping plat/rare items.

As this truth sets in and time ticks on we will see the true value of the manastone reflected in the pricing.

[Tuljin]

All this EQ paper napkin arithmetic never accounts for inflation.

The saved time math certainly "adds up" but here is the caveat - when Kunark drops you'd have to level 50-60 exclusively in the Hole to get this "saved time." Nobody is going to do that. Hole is an amazing zone but it'll be a ghost town (pun intended) just like Blue because nobody can really "handle it" and you can't just /lfg at zonein.

The market dictates the price. The first manastone sold for 60k in December was it? Now February not quite two months later one goes for 115? It's not really "more money" lol

[Tilien]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The average green player won't be buying a manastone for many reasons, not the least of which is not enough plat in the bank.

Let's say someone is a bit more hardcore. They play ~3 hours of actual camping, kiting, porting, etc. a day. I wouldn't call this 'hardcore' by P99 standards - probably around average - but by your numbers.

A little over 5 months break even time. Not bad - since the above mentioned person will play beyond 5 months.

Also, when speaking of the price of a manastone in the market it's not based on the average joe, it's based on people actually buying/selling.

If you've seen an order book on an exchange -- see here: https://www.multitrader.io/wp-conten...o-15.26.33.png

There are lots of low offers of buyers and high offers of sellers. Where the real price is (the mid-market rate) where real transactions take place.

All that to say, it doesn't matter if 100 people say manastone is only worth 50-80k (right now) -- plenty of these people on the forums -- and it doesn't matter if 100 people say it's worth 500k (right now.) The real price is where the transaction takes place in the middle. My argument here is not about the real price of The Manastone at this point in time. I am simply showing how to help someone calculate it's worth by comparing the context of camping a manastone vs camping plat/rare items.

As this truth sets in and time ticks on we will see the true value of the manastone reflected in the pricing.

But you want 200k for a manastone, not 60 hours. If we assume that the buyer makes plat at 1k/hour then they will need to spend 534 days, or nearly 1.5 years of playing 3 cash making hours per day before they make up for the lost money. All 1.5 years spent in classic zones.

That is 1.5 years of playing 3 hours per day, 7 days a week, no holidays, not farming Kunark items, not farming Velious items (since manastone doesn't help there).

Not bad.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cd288, don't worry. I will sell The Manastone for a minimum of 200K when the time is right.

Of course you will. The server economy will always continue to inflate and that's just the way it goes. That's very different from trying to artificially drive up the price prior to that.