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#141
01-31-2020, 07:03 PM
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I just read through all the screenshots. Here’s my take on it....
Zubas came because he wanted to “camp bracer.” That doesn’t automatically mean he’s entitled to it. However, in none of the screenshots do I see the party agree on NBG. It’s only referenced in the shot after Solemn was kicked from the group. I’ll presume it was discussed though, because Solemn states “NBG is literally GBN.” This implies he knew beforehand that NBG was told to the group. This creates a problem for Solemn, because it’s understood what NBG means, and that is that a player “needs” who can actually USE the item (as in wear, as opposed to simply “needing” the money from the item). I understand where he’s coming from since I too agree that any party member who’s present and involved in the kill should have a right to roll on an item that drops (regardless whether they can wear it or not). That being said, if it WAS discussed prior that it was NBG, Solemn joined the group with the knowledge that it was NBG. Regardless of what his personal feelings are about NBG, he can’t arbitrarily decide to “ignore” that guidance and insert his own definition when it’s convenient for him. Despite whatever is believed to be fair, knowing the group rules beforehand and deciding to stay constructively means that you’ve chosen to abide by them. All that being said, I think as a practical matter it was presumptuous of Zubas to join the group believing he was ‘entitled’ to the bracer. Absent even a roll, it’s clear he assumes he’ll get it if one drops. Now whats not shown in the screenshots is the roll itself, but I can assume Solemn rolled on the item and subsequently won the roll, which is why he looted. Not necessarily a ninja loot if he won the roll, but also not in keeping with the rules of the group set forth beforehand. Note, though, the party as a whole should agree on the loot rules. Simply because you’re the group leader doesn’t mean you get to unilaterally make the loot rules, especially when that rule only favors one person who you have a connection to (guildmate). Loot rules need to be firmly entrenched. If Solemn made no objection to the NBG rules though when they were told to him, then that’s a tacit consent. TLDR: NBG is an inherently unfair system to group members that participate being denied the chance at loot, which IS useful monetarily even if they can’t use the items themselves. That being said, if NBG was discussed prior to an item dropping and was understood to be the rule of the group, party members need to abide by it (especially if they choose to remain in the group after learning about the rule, and as long as it’s discussed PRIOR to an item dropping). Solemn choosing to remain in the group after the rule was discussed, and presumably not objecting to it (as he chose to remain in the group), means NBG is established and he’s in the wrong for looting the item. The roll is inconsequential in this regard. | ||
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#142
01-31-2020, 07:40 PM
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Well Mr. Smellybuttface, I appreciate yours being one of the more objective takes, however...
Let me clarify a few matters of contention: #1 Zubas didn't assume he would get the bracer or feel entitled. He had spoken about it prior and nobody needed it. #2 You are correct, NBG was discussed before. Solmn responded snarkily by saying "I think you mean GBN". We said no. He said nothing more and kept playing. It seemed a resolved issue and he CHOSE to stay in group. This was when he first joined and the text had long been overwritten in the chat window or I had already spent enough time taking screenshots while I should have been playing. In any event, it is clear as you noticed, that he was well aware of NBG. #3 Turns out he fucked over a bunch of other guildies earlier that day. He is supposed to be on a no group or res with Venerate. In fact, the day before, he fucked me over in EC. He promised to sell me something and I said I was a bit short on cash. HE started to send tells to everyone in my guild asking them to loan me the cash. Fucking lunatic. You see him in pic #4 admitting it. After a guildie who he didnt even know said he would, AFTER the guy wasted his time making a bank run to get me the cash, Solmn turns around and sells it to someone else because they offered 50 more plat... #4 NBG isn't "inherently" unfair. As you said, it was agreed upon prior. Is it as advantageous for everyone to participate? No. As I said, I didn't need anything and play NBG. Why NBG normally with me? Because I usually either group with guildies or in group "friends". So, there have been many instances earlier in playing where I benefited more than others in the group with NBG. In a total pickup group of absolute randoms then many times its voted GBN. Whenever I lead a group and enough turnover happens, I call another VOTE. In a tie, the old rule remains. If people want GBN, then we go to that. There is nothing unfair about it. NBG can be more advantageous too. It all depends. Can you argue that in the long run that people can just greed roll everything and sell to get what they need? Sure, but that wasn't the case with THAT group as you noticed. #5 There is a pic of some rolls. However, as you can see, if things were the way Solmn wanted it before he looted, there would have been 6 rolls, not 3. The only reason there were two others at the time from Solmn is because 1 was Zubas thinking that Solmn needed it so rolled against him. The other, just succumbed to Solmn's demands to roll after knowing he didn't need it, but if I remember right corrected himself after Solmn was kicked. #6 Solemn is an astronomical fuckhead. Without even mentioning him, I have ran into NUMEROUS occasions of people bitching about him. Then when that happens and anyone sees the guy's name, MORE people jump in. Lol, try an OOC in EC to see if anyone has heard of the guy. The tales will go well beyond his obsession for ninja looting and GBN. He's just an old fashioned unwiped asshole through and through. | ||
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#143
01-31-2020, 07:47 PM
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Who the fuck keeps 1000 silver when they're overweight?
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#144
01-31-2020, 07:49 PM
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So no, I don't have a mule or a Muehler... Solemn just is a complete fuck head that likes to abuse large colons any chance he gets. He is universally hated and it is amazing, even with such a shit reputation as Odus has, that they keep him around. I can respect a good troll, but this guy is embarrassing. | |||
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#145
01-31-2020, 08:02 PM
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We were at royals, what bracer drops there that Digital (The enchanter who you conveniently don't have a screenshot complaining about this bracer) needed? I don't see Digital rolling in your own selective screen shot. Oh and btw, your own screenshot shows 2 other group members telling you that you're a dipshit. Man oh man you reach levels of stupidity that I have never thought possible even in a 22 year old bootlegged video game. You are such a moron or compulsive liar, probably both, that I didn't "replace" a 40's cleric with a 50's guildie. As my screenshots show, Sitand was our 40's cleric WHO WAS THE GROUP LEADER left when Zubas arrived. There were no healers available so Zubas was doing us a favor because he obviously didn't need the exp. He figured the bracer would be SOME reason to be there for other than selflessly healing for us. Fucking dope. You are 100% selfish so you wouldn't understand. What is amazing is not that you're a complete moron, but what is amazing is that you are such a profound idiot that you think other people will believe your nonsense. I am shocked you know how to operate a mouse and keyboard. | |||
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#146
01-31-2020, 08:12 PM
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More importantly, THIS ISN'T MY THREAD. THIS WAS APPARENTLY STARTED BY YET ANOTHER PERSON YOUR GUILD HAS FUCKED OVER. Why do you guys even pretend like you care? Do I have a manastone? Noooooooope. Has ANYONE ever seen me camp a manastone? Noooooooooope. Would I even want to waste my time camping fucking insane amounts of hours for something that is worthless post Kunark for non porters? Nooooooooooope. Do I go by Muehler or have a Mule (I am assuming that's what his name means)? Noooooope. Get your shit straight before accusing me of starting this thread. In fact, why don't you fucking idiots post the screenshots that I EMAILED you? Don't worry, I just did... Oh and yeah, I accept trial by combat by Solemn. Just in real life. That way he can stand behind his and his guild's bullshit. Set it up. | |||
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#147
01-31-2020, 08:16 PM
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#148
01-31-2020, 08:25 PM
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IN FACT, I told Archonus (an officer of your shit guild-Maybe you're him) that I wasn't going to petition because I wouldn't want to waste a GM's time over petty bullshit a guild should be able to handle. I then handed the matter off to him and Legendarymonk (Venerate) after he wanted me to email him the screenshots which I did. What was done after that I have no idea other than Venerate decided to put Solemn on a do not group or rez list. Being I am no longer in that guild, I don't give two fucks what they do with Solemn. Group and rez to your heart's content. What I don't like is you saying I started this shit thread that has no screenshots or anything until ******I****** just posted them. If this was me, why the fuck wouldn't I have posted the screenshots YOU admit you got weeks ago? Holy shit you guys all have dogshit for brains. Do you guys actually think you're clever? Lastly, shouldn't claiming GM's decided something which they didn't be an offense to get banned? Anyone have any input with that? | |||
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#149
01-31-2020, 08:39 PM
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Your guildie making a deal, you know a contract to sell something, then harassing others to get the cash, only to sell it to someone else is yes, ripping them off. To get into lawyering, well because I know what I am talking about since I have the same conversations with judges, this would be a standard contract breach, ie ripping someone off. I am having a hard time really believing you can be this stupid. You HAVE to be trolling people. Sadly, people are having their time wasted due to your guild's bullshit. Trolling is one thing. Going around harassing people you don't even know to get them to lend someone else they don't know is lunacy. Glad to know that Solemn still loses sleep to still send me random tells informing me that I am "the worst" mage on the server [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] | |||
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01-31-2020, 08:46 PM
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