CORONAVIRUS Death Thread

[Jibartik]

I cant figure out the logic that the feds job is not to shut the country down but it is to use the military to open it back up if the states dont want to? I just want someone to make me go, oh ok that makes sense, if it's possible? Not trying to flame.

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I cant figure out the logic that the feds job is not to shut the country down but it is to use the military to open it back up if the states dont want to? I just want someone to make me go, oh ok that makes sense, if it's possible? Not trying to flame.

Could you rephrase? You're asking two questions at once kinda

[Jibartik]

It seems to me that the trump administration doesn't want to federally mandate masks or send federal stimulus to people, because that's not what this country is about, but when it comes to sending federal aid in the form of military force that is ok? It just seems to me like a very obvious contradiction. Maybe I am expecting too much because there are a lot of those, but I also am wondering if I got it way off.

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems to me that the trump administration doesn't want to federally mandate masks or send federal stimulus to people, because that's not what this country is about, but when it comes to sending federal aid in the form of military force that is ok? It just seems to me like a very obvious contradiction. Maybe I am expecting too much because there are a lot of those, but I also am wondering if I got it way off.

A federal mask order would be a quick loss in court, better to have state orders bogged down in litigation while it remains in force. That's called strategery!

As for stimulus Trump and Turtle are both on board. It's just that the Dems passed a la-la land wish list in the House to politick with. A real deal is being crafted that doesn't include bailing out the post office pension scheme

[gherron]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems to me that the trump administration doesn't want to federally mandate masks or send federal stimulus to people, because that's not what this country is about, but when it comes to sending federal aid in the form of military force that is ok? It just seems to me like a very obvious contradiction. Maybe I am expecting too much because there are a lot of those, but I also am wondering if I got it way off.

In the US if you're carrying guns, gathering in crowds to threaten lawmakers during a pandemic, and protesting for the right to get COVID and die then it is ok and encouraged by an orange gorilla that's growing more and more senile.

However, if you are against police doing whatever the fuck they want, including raping women in handcuffs, then it is absolutely wrong and the military should be sent in.

Both are things you should not be doing during a pandemic, but our fellow Norrathians that live in the US are often stupid and only complain about the second situation.

But all in all, wear your masks and be patriotic US-folks!

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems to me that the trump administration doesn't want to federally mandate masks or send federal stimulus to people, because that's not what this country is about, but when it comes to sending federal aid in the form of military force that is ok? It just seems to me like a very obvious contradiction. Maybe I am expecting too much because there are a lot of those, but I also am wondering if I got it way off.

They don't want to federally mandate masks because our outbreak is regional. NY and NJ are over it, CA/TX/FL are spiking. Measures should be tailored to where the problem is. The feds issue guidelines to states and the governors are supposed to implement them based on what's going on locally.

Any talk of federal stimulus belongs to the Congress which disburses all the money. Anything you hear regarding that is Schumer and McConnell maneuvering for position. Please note that the current block is that Trump is pushing for a giant payroll tax reduction and other GOP don't like it.

The Republican and White House positions changed multiple times as the day went on, with some GOP lawmakers refusing to rally behind the White House’s demand for a payroll tax cut,

If Trump gets his way everyone still working is going to get a big break on their payroll taxes. Which is also a great incentive to get back to work.

Regarding your last point, the "federal aid" via military police, Trump is mainly protecting Federal property. The government buildings in Portland and other places have been a magnet for the violent looters and the local police have done nothing. There's DHS facilities, Border Patrol offices, Federal Courthouses, offices, etc. Trump is doing two things here. One he is actually protecting the property like he's supposed to, and two he is sending a message that there is some law and order still going on. If you don't do anything it just encourages that behavior - I think we're all past arguing that standing back and letting our new founding fathers do their thing is bad idea. It's also not correct to call them "military police". These guys either work for the Border Patrol or the Bureau of Prisons. They're neither military nor police. I guess technically they're "Agents". Which is cool. Who doesn't want to be an Agent?

[Nirgon]

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[gherron]

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Cute picture but from video evidence all across the internet, it is the other way around: Fat lazy americans who believe covid to be a hoax threatening/spitting/screaming at young minimum wage workers who are told to enforce mask rules.

However, I DO wish you the best and I certainly hope you will venture out as often as you can into the world!

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by gherron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fat lazy americans who believe covid to be a hoax threatening/spitting/screaming at young minimum wage workers who are told to enforce

I don't watch ALL the videos, but from what I've seen most of these people tend to be very energetic and also very ambulatory as they bounce from aisle to aisle pulling stuff down onto the floors in their temper tantrums.

Which brings me to a point I wanted to explore, so thanks for that reminder.

No matter what your view on the lockdown issue, your stance on masks or morbidity or infectiousness or measures or hospital rooms, none of that matters. This is my serious question:

Do you feel the same level of trust regarding Covid-19 information now versus five months ago, let's say March?

Like from all the sources you normally get your information from, at the end of the day when you collate everything you heard and come to some conclusions, do you feel like your level of confidence in the accuracy of the information you have received is better today then before or worse? Or the same?

edit; i'm askin anyone here, just curious is all

[Blingy]

Bit of background about me that'll hopefully shed a bit of light on why I think the way I do about not only covid-19, BLM protests and basically all hotbed newsy things. Feel free to skip if context doesn't matter to you.

I've lived in several different areas around the country; many with different political and social views about various things. My views use to shift from one extreme to the other depending on my age, maturity level, etc. I have a HUGE extended family with members that post political, social and societal crap all over the place. Yea, I get tidbits from all sides of the spectrum. Hell, one great uncle is basically Grizzly Adams that has contact with the outside world when one of my cousins goes hunting or fishing. Another extended family member thinks Marxx is a pretty cool dude and we need to use his writing as the new bible. The rest are more centered than those two but you get the point. I also keep in contact with friends from my past; most have different political views. Currently I live just outside Seattle. A few republicans live around here but most are very very blue. I subscribe to issues, not political parties or rallies/protests.

This mess combined with one of my college majors was communications/journalism. My initial thought about going into that field was something akin to "I want to make sure the people reading my stories are well informed about important issues that affect them." or some such thing. However near the end of my sophomore year in college it was made pretty evident from my professors that our job is to write in a way so that our followers would be more loyal to our columns which would in turn keep subscribers and gain new ones. This is accomplished by writing not only about issues that may or may not directly affect our readers but presenting things in order to invoke some sort of response be it emotional, mental, physical, etc. This was all back in the early 1990's. Since then this writing style is paramount not only left mainstream journalism but has also moved into many other areas where somebody (or group) has any sort of agenda. IMO society as a whole has grown accustomed to this style of reporting and is now become desensitized to anything that doesn't invoke some sort of "OMG!!!" type mental/emotional idealization.

Ok, background done so onto actually posting relevant opinions about this thread. People that paint broad brushstrokes about "All these people" or "None of these people" are correct from their point of view. However to say this type of thing is nationwide or even correct from one geographic location to another is short sighted. People are people with different points of view, circumstances, living conditions, socio-economic backgrounds, lifestyles, (this list goes on an on), etc.

Do you feel the same level of trust regarding Covid-19 information now versus five months ago, let's say March?

Due to my background I carefully dissect a lot of what not only the media/news claims but also do what I can to figure out if whoever is making a claim has something to gain by making it. Dr. Fauci is very smart. He's been in the infectious disease game for a really long time. However he's also been a director since 1984 which leads me to believe he's more of an administrator/bureaucrat more than an actual scientist/lab rat. I trust he's doing what he feels is "best" given his point of view but best for who? No matter what anybody claims all humans have at least some form of narcissism/self preservation; Dr. Fauci and his buddies at the NIH are no different. The leaders of the Seattle or Portland protests are the same. BLM leaders, yep you guessed it. Pastors wanting full churches, ditto. I think you get the picture.

Next up are the news/media sources. A journalist/editor/publisher doesn't have to know shit about infectious diseases. When I was a journalism major I was required to have 2 college science classes. Geology and geography filled those requirements for me so that's what I took at the time. Biology in 9th grade was my only scientific education regarding living things. Today journalists are in the same boat. So any journalist/etc. can simply take 3-5 sentences from any scientific source and write a story about "OMG!!! LOOK, LOOK, LOOK!!!" So I trust the journalist/editor/publisher will inform their readers only as much as is needed to continue generating clicks and gaining subscribers. If I (and anybody else) reads an article I will be more informed about something than I was before reading it. Currently (at least as far as I understand it) journalists aren't allowed to lie but nothing stops them from taking things out of context or even not giving all relevant information regarding any issue; covid-19, blm, protests, masks, etc. Similar point of view from non-journalists that have a vested interest in gaining something from having people rally behind them.

TL;DR I do feel the same today as I did in March. Healthy skepticism with a hint of trust and a substantial amount of verify.