Warrior VS monk/ranger DPS face tanking?

[DMN]

A monk gets absolutely nothing close to something like DPS of a mith 2 hander. So its probabaly going to come down to how good gear the warrior has versus monk.

you could try during the low to mid levels swapping in a decent 2 hand blunt attack between your off and attacks. But it would probably kill your AC as all the decent 2hd weapons weigh a ton.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A monk gets absolutely nothing close to something like DPS of a mith 2 hander. So its probabaly going to come down to how good gear the warrior has versus monk.

you could try during the low to mid levels swapping in a decent 2 hand blunt attack between your off and attacks. But it would probably kill your AC as all the decent 2hd weapons weigh a ton.

I find this hard to believe. Maybe I missed something important and OP has the resources to put a mithril 2hnder on a warrior twink at low levels but aside from that..

At 50 the monks fists alone are 14/30. Only slightly worse than 21/40 of the Mith2hnder. Assuming non planar gear/dragon haste does the 10% extra worn haste attached to the Mith2hnder overcome significant higher offense, double attack, dual wield, and flying kick from the monk?

Assuming planar/dragon gear I’d say the monk easily pulls ahead with 16/27 Wu’s fists or even 14/28 Treant Fist and 36% dragon haste.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find this hard to believe. Maybe I missed something important and OP has the resources to put a mithril 2hnder on a warrior twink at low levels but aside from that..

At 50 the monks fists alone are 14/30. Only slightly worse than 21/40 of the Mith2hnder. Assuming non planar gear/dragon haste does the 10% extra worn haste attached to the Mith2hnder overcome significant higher offense, double attack, dual wield, and flying kick from the monk?

Assuming planar/dragon gear I’d say the monk easily pulls ahead with 16/27 Wu’s fists or even 14/28 Treant Fist and 36% dragon haste.

Those weapons don't and won't exist for a long time. Mith has about 20% better ratio, and 10% better haste than monk fists, but tha't s bit of bullshit compariso alreadysicne you don't start the game at level 50. But the main thing is a DPSing tank is going to have a lot more ability to equip tanking gear tiwh +str while a monk is usually having to choose between str and AC/resists. Like where the monk will have an FBSS the tank can have a TBB, for example.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those weapons don't and won't exist for a long time. Mith has about 20% better ratio, and 10% better haste than monk fists, but tha't s bit of bullshit compariso alreadysicne you don't start the game at level 50. But the main thing is a DPSing tank is going to have a lot more ability to equip tanking gear tiwh +str while a monk is usually having to choose between str and AC/resists. Like where the monk will have an FBSS the tank can have a TBB, for example.

Right, just like the warrior won't have 8K(?) when they start the game. I guess I'm mistaken regarding the order in which content was introduced. When is Sky available? Assumed it was pretty soon after Hate and Fear which we are already approaching?

Regardless, a fresh group in rags isn't going to be buying their warrior a Mith2hnder anytime soon. A fresh warrior playing with friends will be in bronze and considering himself lucky to have any of the below:

Gnoll Hide Lariat - .15
Bladed Thulian Claws - .26
Langseax - .26
Combine Longsword - .21

By level 20 the naked monk will have .22 fists which turn to .29 at 30. I think you have some misconceptions regarding the gear levels of a new group of fresh players.

[Snaggles]

What’s the rest of your team and what are you trying to do? A bard can tank in xp groups even on green.

[Gatorsmash]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What’s the rest of your team and what are you trying to do? A bard can tank in xp groups even on green.

Hey sorry for the delay, got lost in alts and forgot I posted this.

I went to lvl 15 on the monk then rolled troll warrior. I have a max monk on blue but here in classic I find it incredibly boring. I rolled troll warrior and been having a blast mixing and matching weapons and general warrior stuff.

We haven't had much luck with a static group but somebody is bringing a cleric up to lvl with us - and let me just say holly fuck shamans are great but damn they lag in the heal dept even with slows. Stand totally corrected on that

[kjs86z]

How many players in the static group and what other classes?

Is this on Blue or Green / Teal?

Do you have any end game (raiding) aspirations?

[Keebz]

On Green, I'd bet Warrior. Warrior DPS is underrated in general. As an MT, however, be aware you're gonna have a rough time holding aggro. If you're in a static group of friends, it may be less of a problem, though.

As for race, I have both Troll and Halfling Warriors. Both are great for different reasons. Hide/Sneak is very useful and being small/good factioned has serious benefits. Troll on the other hand doesn't need to swap a shield to bash, has slightly better stats and most importantly gets a nice innate regen. Given DE mask is in the game, I'd go Troll out of those choices, unless you want access to good factioned places.

The Ranger is the worst at just face tanking things, but it could be a solid choice–if you want/need snap aggro, root, snare, track. Requires a bit of finesse and involves lots of Ranger-shaming, of course.

Monk seems like a very bad choice for MT on Green, but I'm sure it's workable with enough effort. The Monk skills are good, but the gear is lacking in classic. Good for indoor pulling however. I personally am waiting til kunark/velious to roll a monk.

[Snaggles]

It totally depends.

Yea, in terms of mitigation warrior then monk. Do you need taunt? hat tips to the warrior. Do you need an indoor puller? Hat tips to the monk.

How about an outdoor puller? Do you have someone to track/snare/add lowbie druid buffs? Go ranger. Thorns itself is nice for passive dps increase.

Pallies can stun and throw lowbie cleric buffs (do you have a cleric?). SK's can snare and FD split.

It really depends on what you want to do and how well you want to do it. Like I said before, if you really wanted to play a bard you could tank for a 4-person group easy. Same goes for a shaman. If you wanna exp off LDC's in Sol b on green, it's gonna be more rough than some combos.

This is a pretty easy game. Just gotta click the needed boxes and be better than the NPC's...

[wagorf]

damn ppl either can't read or talk too much, OP is asking who has better dps while face tanking, and obviously he's talking about general static group xping and not end game level/gears

so general answer is monk > both war and ranger for his scenario