how does teal even make sense now?

[Kanuvan]

if you are a class that needs a group you mineaswell not even play on off peak hours, was classic really a weekend only game? i think not

430 players is not enough players to create a healthy grouping enviornment

inb4 "its your own fault for not rolling a necro/solo class" , again, this pop is not healthy for the server growth and grouping environment at all

[Crovax]

Originally Posted by Kanuvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you are a class that needs a group you mineaswell not even play on off peak hours, was classic really a weekend only game? i think not

430 players is not enough players to create a healthy grouping enviornment

inb4 "its your own fault for not rolling a necro/solo class" , again, this pop is not healthy for the server growth and grouping environment at all

I am not sure how it is on Green. But on teal grouping is even easier. There is always a goblin group and HK noble group going. There is always 3-4 groups in Guk going. There is pretty often a group doing kobold nobles in SolB or gnomes in SolA. Normally all of these groups are going to the point where there are waiting list to join.

Doing it on off hours and week hours is the best because the waiting list is normally shorter. Again, this is for Teal. Not sure how it is on green but since they have more people should be the same.

And if you don't like those spots I normally see people doing Aviaks and Gnolls in SK when I pass through there. The servers merging would not solve this problem. I remember when the servers were fresh and it was exactly the same even when the population was huge. I saw people waiting 6-8 hours to join a group in HK. Could they have grouped up in a low zem value zone? Sure. Did they? Not that I seen. I would see them sitting the basement waiting. The smart ones would be asking to join list in guk as well in case those opened up sooner.

It doesn't make sense to be like, "I don't want to join a HK group and wait". "I don't want to join a Guk group and wait". "I don't want to join a group doing Aviaks/Gnolls because the exp is not fast enough" Then look at us and be like, "This is why we need more people".

It wouldn't solve anything. When the servers were just released it was the same. Every zone outside of the high Zem zones were barren. High Zem zones fully packed.

[Castle2.0]

A says "there is no one to group with, it's a desolate wasteland"
B says "there are no camps, everything is taken."

Interesting...


No HGs available in Rathe?

EK has a HG, NK has a HG. I think WK does too.

There are other money camps. If you want them go find them - some are not well known and/or have a big faction cost, learning curve, or higher risk.

Reminds me of people who live in cities with high cost of living, a very competitive labor market, and lots of traffic... and complain about it. There are other cities (zones.) If the exp/loot is just that good where you are, then stay and be happy. If not, move.

[Crovax]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A says "there is no one to group with, it's a desolate wasteland"
B says "there are no camps, everything is taken."

This couldn't be more misleading. No one said everything is taken. The fact that you have to try and pretend that shows your argument doesn't have legs to stand on.

My point which I thought was very clear is those crowded zones will just be more crowded. The empty zones will be just as empty. The only difference is that if you want a HK group your wait time will be doubled. Want a GUK group? Time would be doubled. Want to get a group into Runneye? Want to get a group into CT? It would be the same as it is now. You are going to have to make friends and bring a group.

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No HGs available in Rathe?

EK has a HG, NK has a HG. I think WK does too.

There are other money camps. If you want them go find them - some are not well known and/or have a big faction cost, learning curve, or higher risk.

The fact that you are suggest EK, NK and WK as alternatives highlights my points. You could multiple the population by 10 and those still wouldn't be good spots outside of semi-afk at work or something. HG's at those zones wouldn't suddenly become good spots to farm plat lol.

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are other money camps. If you want them go find them - some are not well known and/or have a big faction cost, learning curve, or higher risk.

Reminds me of people who live in cities with high cost of living, a very competitive labor market, and lots of traffic... and complain about it. There are other cities (zones.) If the exp/loot is just that good where you are, then stay and be happy. If not, move.

I think you missed my point entirely. There are other camps that pale in comparison. When the servers had 1k+ each every zone wasn't suddenly filled. Those specific zones were just more filled and had far longer wait times. Empty zones were still empty.

If the servers merge that isn't going to change.

[Smellybuttface]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This couldn't be more misleading. No one said everything is taken. The fact that you have to try and pretend that shows your argument doesn't have legs to stand on.

My point which I thought was very clear is those crowded zones will just be more crowded. The empty zones will be just as empty. The only difference is that if you want a HK group your wait time will be doubled. Want a GUK group? Time would be doubled. Want to get a group into Runneye? Want to get a group into CT? It would be the same as it is now. You are going to have to make friends and bring a group.



The fact that you are suggest EK, NK and WK as alternatives highlights my points. You could multiple the population by 10 and those still wouldn't be good spots outside of semi-afk at work or something. HG's at those zones wouldn't suddenly become good spots to farm plat lol.



I think you missed my point entirely. There are other camps that pale in comparison. When the servers had 1k+ each every zone wasn't suddenly filled. Those specific zones were just more filled and had far longer wait times. Empty zones were still empty.

If the servers merge that isn't going to change.

I didn't play on Blue when it was at max population, but was this the case? I can say that on the live servers back in the day, you saw a wide distribution of players camping things in the Karanas, Runnyeye, Cazik Thule, etc. Granted, ZEM's weren't widely known back then except anecdotally, but you didn't see this insane gravitation towards certain zones that you see now (Lguk might be the exception).

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Smellybuttface [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't play on Blue when it was at max population, but was this the case? I can say that on the live servers back in the day, you saw a wide distribution of players camping things in the Karanas, Runnyeye, Cazik Thule, etc. Granted, ZEM's weren't widely known back then except anecdotally, but you didn't see this insane gravitation towards certain zones that you see now (Lguk might be the exception).

I would say that Crovax is not correct. Pre-split you had groups all over the place. I hadn't seen groups camping dervs in Ro since 1999 lol. With the split, now you just essentially have the Blue leveling experience (although the one exception to this is that Befallen is popular, which it's not on Blue) in terms of the zones people go to because there simply aren't enough people in those popular zones to force people to go elsewhere. They are crowded, but not so crowded that you usually can't find a group within ~90 minutes, which most people are willing to wait for instead of just XPing elsewhere because they don't realize the total XP earned in their play session would be higher if they just went somewhere else rather than waiting.

As an aside, this issue also isn't helped by the nerfs done to all the turn in quests, such as bandit sashes, that would motivate people to go to those areas to group.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would say that Crovax is not correct. Pre-split you had groups all over the place. I hadn't seen groups camping dervs in Ro since 1999 lol. With the split, now you just essentially have the Blue leveling experience (although the one exception to this is that Befallen is popular, which it's not on Blue) in terms of the zones people go to because there simply aren't enough people in those popular zones to force people to go elsewhere. They are crowded, but not so crowded that you usually can't find a group within ~90 minutes, which most people are willing to wait for instead of just XPing elsewhere because they don't realize the total XP earned in their play session would be higher if they just went somewhere else rather than waiting.

As an aside, this issue also isn't helped by the nerfs done to all the turn in quests, such as bandit sashes, that would motivate people to go to those areas to group.

The early days after the split still had people all over, but yeah, it cut down pretty quickly to huge clusters in uguk and hhk and such with zones like wc and kerra isle and whatnot being entirely empty almost all day long. Although I'd say it's still fairly different than blue. EK, SK, nro, zones like that will often have 8-15 people of appropriate level exping during prime hours. Even though population on green/teal is down under 1k, we still have like 50% of the playerbase below level 30 at any given time.

Blue's population peaks weren't in classic era. It was lower than green and teal are back then. And 1500 people during kunark or 2000 during velious is no problem since they are spread out in level and the world is so huge compared to just classic.

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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No HGs available in Rathe?



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Yeah, exactly, no HGs available in Rathe. That shit's camped like almost all the time, much like most any other good soloing spots. Last time I went there early in the morning on a Wednesday, a level 50 magician there just killing them all for himself. I log out. Come back way later in the evening, like 10 or 12 hours later, he's still there killing all the giants. I'll give you one guess as to what guild he's in. These people need lives outside of this emulator.

[zodium]

merging teal and green together makes a lot of sense because keeping them separate only makes the both of them into ghost towns, I continue to insist as a hundred dudes apparently poopsock solb

[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

merging teal and green together makes a lot of sense because keeping them separate only makes the both of them into ghost towns, I continue to insist as a hundred dudes apparently poopsock solb

Blue did just fine when we only had a max of 150 players on. You all are spoiled, whining about population when we are 700+ a peak times of the day.

Where is the hurry to rush the merge? There's plenty of grouping to be had right now on both servers. Are you all not satisfied until zones like Permafrost and Splitpaw are overcamped too?