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Old 01-07-2020, 09:33 AM
Tilien Tilien is offline
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lmaoo tho, this is absolutely not how it works. here's how it actually works: the biggest and most powerful guilds, who have the most manpower and most purchasing power for their DKP, will print from thin air some of that DKP so their members devote their manhours to increase the advantage they already enjoy over the smaller guild you madly think this helps. cf. leveraging proceeds from sale of raid loot to buy legacy items such as lockets that also entrench their advantage.
My point is that there can be a benefit to it. Take Sky for example: If your guild can only muster a force for 20ish people to go to Sky, and your guild's only 46+ enchanter main is on vacation then having one of your melee dps play an enchanter bot can simply make the difference between raiding that night or not.

I don't think that Seal Team monopoly is going to be cemented by having every playing have a back up rez bot/port bot/(eventually)coth bot. They're going to have the numbers to ensure attendance and ensure FTE anyway. A 20 man guild would never be able to compete on zerg targets no matter how much gear or bots they had, but those things could make a difference for the 20 man guild doing Sky or eventually Halls of Testing or other casual raids.

Conversely: even if Seal Team didn't have bots and didn't have the best-of-the-best gear they would still get Naggy over the 20 man guild.
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Old 01-07-2020, 09:10 AM
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Honeslty VPNs make detecting bots impossible, so that shouldn't be a rule either. A little bit of thought in execution goes a long ways. why are we this many months in and still the manastone monopoly is owned by people who would be considered cheaters in classic EQ.
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Old 01-07-2020, 11:21 AM
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I can tell you on live before daybreak took over... i couldn't figure out my info on an account. Chocked it up to owell i forgot it I guess... made a new one. Seen my max char running around so I petitioned. The GM gave me my account back... but reset all my characters on it to lvl 1 and naked and said "we do not tolerate account sharing"... dude I didn't share shit.
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Old 01-07-2020, 11:28 AM
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account sharing is normalized on p99, has been for many years, it's part of the raid game. Hardcore guilds are not made up of players/people but just available characters (as they evolve). I was in a very very casual raiding guild on blue for a short amount of time and it was totally normal to say in the voice comms "ill play the cleric today". Witnessed over 10 people playing that toon in the short time I was with them. I still never figured out if anybody actually had a claim to that toon or if it was just a epic clicker that was leveled by the entire guild in their free time, lol.

I was in oot the other day and someone in /ooc shout to some other guy to "log on the druid, my buffs faded" when being power leveled. It's more normalized behavior than it's ever been, just the way it goes.
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Old 01-07-2020, 01:19 PM
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I know sooo many people sharing accounts at ruby bp and ms with proof
Proof, or stfu.
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Old 01-07-2020, 01:33 PM
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I can say definitively that my friends and I account shared often in the true Classic era to do things like PL or trade items to-and-fro etc. I can't see this being policed, nor believe it should be.

Account sharing shouldn't be the scapegoat for people's hate on the /list system. The drop rate of current items almost requires account sharing, since for the majority of people (presumably) spending 50+ hours clicking a button every 15 minutes is unreasonable. Not saying the /list system should change, just that by the very way it was built with the current drop rates in mind, i can't imagine the devs not taking account sharing into....dare i say...account.
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Old 01-07-2020, 02:13 PM
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I can say definitively that my friends and I account shared often in the true Classic era to do things like PL or trade items to-and-fro etc. I can't see this being policed, nor believe it should be.

Account sharing shouldn't be the scapegoat for people's hate on the /list system. The drop rate of current items almost requires account sharing, since for the majority of people (presumably) spending 50+ hours clicking a button every 15 minutes is unreasonable. Not saying the /list system should change, just that by the very way it was built with the current drop rates in mind, i can't imagine the devs not taking account sharing into....dare i say...account.
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Old 01-07-2020, 10:34 PM
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I can say definitively that my friends and I account shared often in the true Classic era to do things like PL or trade items to-and-fro etc. I can't see this being policed, nor believe it should be.
No shit you don't think it should be policed lol. Who wouldn't want to get away with committing crimes and doing shady business. You admit to doing this shit, of course you don't want it to be made against the rules. I'm sure none of the people who account share want it to be made against the rules. I'm sure murderers wish murdering wasn't against the rules or pedophiles wish abusing minors wasn't against the rules either.
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Old 01-08-2020, 10:45 AM
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No shit you don't think it should be policed lol. Who wouldn't want to get away with committing crimes and doing shady business. You admit to doing this shit, of course you don't want it to be made against the rules. I'm sure none of the people who account share want it to be made against the rules. I'm sure murderers wish murdering wasn't against the rules or pedophiles wish abusing minors wasn't against the rules either.
Committing crimes? Exaggerate much?

What crime is there for someone logging into my account, as long as it’s not more than one account logged in (i.e. boxing)? I’m not currently logged into it, and they’re not logged into an account they otherwise COULD be logged into. So it’s a zero-sum game.

I’ve never seen someone so nauseatingly use hyperbole to grasp at making a point.
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Old 01-08-2020, 01:30 PM
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Committing crimes? Exaggerate much?

What crime is there for someone logging into my account, as long as it’s not more than one account logged in (i.e. boxing)? I’m not currently logged into it, and they’re not logged into an account they otherwise COULD be logged into. So it’s a zero-sum game.

I’ve never seen someone so nauseatingly use hyperbole to grasp at making a point.
The crime, you daft criminal scum, is that you are getting away with an unfair advantage. Have any other dumb questions with obvious answers?
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