To the level 40 I ported last night with no tip..

[aspomwell]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ask for tips, and if they give you garbage drop them of in tox.

Winner!

[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ask for tips, and if they give you garbage drop them of in tox.

Probably the solution right here. Don't port until they've made their donation, and if they get difficult about it take them to the end of the world and /wave.

[Natewest1987]

Originally Posted by Fawqueue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Probably the solution right here. Don't port until they've made their donation, and if they get difficult about it take them to the end of the world and /wave.

This is funny. Is it legal to do this ?

[zauber]

Obviosly whoever posted this rant either was not actually a Dial member or did not bother to read the guild rules. This post goes against everything we stand for as a guild. Although, we do EXPECT payment for our services, we do NOT complain when we do not get piad (things happen).

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[cd288]

Originally Posted by Natewest1987 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is funny. Is it legal to do this ?

No

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No

why not? you people are such babies

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No

Yes, actually.

[Smellybuttface]

Originally Posted by Fawqueue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Probably the solution right here. Don't port until they've made their donation, and if they get difficult about it take them to the end of the world and /wave.

Sort of counter to the definition of a “donation” (an act or instance of presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution.). Gifts are gratuitously given, without requiring a reciprocal act.

If they ‘require’ a sum of money to port someone, just call it what it is - a fee.

[Natewest1987]

Originally Posted by Smellybuttface [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sort of counter to the definition of a “donation” (an act or instance of presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution.). Gifts are gratuitously given, without requiring a reciprocal act.

If they ‘require’ a sum of money to port someone, just call it what it is - a fee.

“Presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution” is not the same thing as giving something freely as a gift, especially not as a grant or contribution ( which both hold implications of expectation. If I gave you a donkey but presented it as a cat, would you have a donkey ? Idk weird analogy, but rarely in life is anything ever truly a “donation”. If it weren’t for tax breaks, financial loop holes, the “presentation” of being generous, or just the need to pat themselves on the back - how often do you think people would actually give something of their own ?

Everyone knows that you don’t have to tip a waiter, but obviously they provide that service with the expectation of a tip. That waiter/waitress is giving you their time and it’s not because they want to.

[Smellybuttface]

Originally Posted by Natewest1987 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

“Presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution” is not the same thing as giving something freely as a gift, especially not as a grant or contribution ( which both hold implications of expectation. If I gave you a donkey but presented it as a cat, would you have a donkey ? Idk weird analogy, but rarely in life is anything ever truly a “donation”. If it weren’t for tax breaks, financial loop holes, the “presentation” of being generous, or just the need to pat themselves on the back - how often do you think people would actually give something of their own ?

Everyone knows that you don’t have to tip a waiter, but obviously they provide that service with the expectation of a tip. That waiter/waitress is giving you their time and it’s not because they want to.

A gift is precisely that, not having the expectation of a reciprocal act.

A tip is almost the complete opposite, “ : a gift or a sum of money tendered for a service performed or anticipated”. The act performed or anticipated would in this case be the port. It’s an argument of semantics, but here it’s fairly clear. Asking for a tip is much more accurate than saying a “donation.” One anticipates a reciprocal act, the other does not. So porters/sow/buffs, the person should realistically be asking for a “tip” rather than a “donation.” Colloquially people ask for “donations” and the motivation might well be for a tax break or loophole etc. That’s still not something expected of the donee, though, but rather something the donor does irrespective of the donee actually performing some act for them.
So if OP asked for a donation and received none, then he’s SOL. Asking for a tip is a different story. They made sound the same, and possibly used with the same “intent,” but they aren’t the same.