Why is America so prudish? (might contain NSFW stuff?!)

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What historical examples do we have from atheistic societies?

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[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean you can anecdotally talk about how you know tons of atheists and they great people. And I can tell you how I know a bunch and they are largely ugly people on a personal level, arrogant, selfish and generally fuck ups but that’s anecdotal too. Not worth much without other historical facts.

What historical examples do we have from atheistic societies? They are really ugly and they are able to justify massive atrocities because they don’t fear thus have to answer to god.

It’s much easier to wipe out 100k people when you don’t think you have to ultimately answer to god.

'A bunch [of atheists]', you're getting the cause wrong: read 'most people'. They'd be asses as christian, jew or other.

As if Christians never commited atrocities. Some so grimdark they became origin stories for one of the most powerful daemons in the warhammer 40k setting.


If we're rolling deaths caused by mismanagement of famine into numbers Pol Pot was a rookie. The East India Trading Company killed 10 million in the Bengal region to keep shareholders happy. Thats on top of those they hung for refusing to sell what little produce/store they had to the company (instead of feeding their family). This company was acting under royal charter, vis a vis acting in God's name.

Christians aren't magicaly absolved of their sins(!) unless you want to play the 'no real scottsman' game.

[Wonkie]

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As if Christians never commited atrocities. Some so grimdark they became origin stories for one of the most powerful daemons in the warhammer 40k setting.

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[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

'A bunch [of atheists]', you're getting the cause wrong: read 'most people'. They'd be asses as christian, jew or other.

As if Christians never commited atrocities. Some so grimdark they became origin stories for one of the most powerful daemons in the warhammer 40k setting.


If we're rolling deaths caused by mismanagement of famine into numbers Pol Pot was a rookie. The East India Trading Company killed 10 million in the Bengal region to keep shareholders happy. Thats on top of those they hung for refusing to sell what little produce/store they had to the company (instead of feeding their family). This company was acting under royal charter, vis a vis acting in God's name.

Christians aren't magicaly absolved of their sins(!) unless you want to play the 'no real scottsman' game.

How long ago were the crusades? How many secular nations have been great since then?

Almost all of modern days societies evolution cane from the great conditions of Christian societies largely because of the system of rules and laws that allowed for building and advancement to take place. And as we move away from those values you can see how we are declining in real time.

On the flip side what does atheism provide for a society? Increased degeneracy which I’ve already shown the deeply harming effects that has, fractures community without a unified set of decent morals, leaves room to justify mass atrocities.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How long ago were the crusades? How many secular nations have been great since then?

Almost all of modern days societies evolution cane from the great conditions of Christian societies largely because of the system of rules and laws that allowed for building and advancement to take place. And as we move away from those values you can see how we are declining in real time.

On the flip side what does atheism provide for a society? Increased degeneracy which I’ve already shown the deeply harming effects that has, fractures community without a unified set of decent morals, leaves room to justify mass atrocities.

You're moving the goalposts by discounting the crusades, you're again gatekeeping Christianity. Besides which you're ignoring the terrible shit Britain/her agents were responsible for for the sake of looting the world.

Law and order precedes christianity. The Mediterranean cultures that housed early christianity are from which western development is derived. By definition they predate christian values. Istanbul also played a major role of influence in thr development of modern nations despite not being christian.

The thing is you're again moving the goal posts talking about modern nations, that has nothing to do with morality.

You argued morality is impossible without christianity, now you're arguing devopment of modern societies required the support of christian institution which is really a different debate and distracts from the fact there are clear examles Christianity is not synonamous with morality.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're moving the goalposts by discounting the crusades, you're again gatekeeping Christianity. Besides which you're ignoring the terrible shit Britain/her agents were responsible for for the sake of looting the world.

Law and order precedes christianity. The Mediterranean cultures that housed early christianity are from which western development is derived. By definition they predate christian values. Istanbul also played a major role of influence in thr development of modern nations despite not being christian.

The thing is you're again moving the goal posts talking about modern nations, that has nothing to do with morality.

You argued morality is impossible without christianity, now you're arguing devopment of modern societies required the support of christian institution which is really a different debate and distracts from the fact there are clear examles Christianity is not synonamous with morality.

How long ago were the crusades?

How many Christian societies have run successfully since then?

Now figure out the likely ratio and realize your argument is nutty.

Remember at the end of the day the people following Christianity are still human and make human mistakes. Humans sin, even Christians. Trying to be better is a big thing in Christianity not the guarantee that you’re a perfect creature right now. And also there’s been groups that have taken control of establishment Christianity. It’s happening right now.

Your argument is the other side of the coin of anecdotally pointing at your atheist buddy who you consider a good person therefore atheism is good. It’s a wack ass argument. You’re missing appropriate context.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s much easier to wipe out 100k people when you don’t think you have to ultimately answer to god.

Arguably it's easier if you feel you only answer to God. He'll understand and reward appropriately for bringing righteous justice to heathens and sinners ... Right?

How about the IRA killing young children in England? How about British squadies opening fire on irish civilians?

[Teppler]

I don’t go to religious service monthly yet I’m religious.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t go to religious service monthly yet I’m religious.

Don't you have your own sermons that you give, I believe you call them podcasts.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't you have your own sermons that you give, I believe you call them podcasts.

Horza I know you don't have anything to do all day because you are chronically unemployed and overweight but I'm sorry to tell you you're attempted doxxing and subsequent harassment effort is wrong.