"Need before greed"

[Polycaster]

What is that gibberish? Grouping together isn't the same as someone doing everything for you. The projection you display is illuminating; everyone is alone in the world with no teamwork or camaraderie possible. A group is an illusion, a guild a psychosis. Only the self. <shudders>

[KelticKope]

Originally Posted by Kalamurv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did read your posts, and unfortunately you are the one not using your brain. You seem to think that because you believe your definition of 'need' is the one that should be accepted, where you are in the minority.

Everyone Needs upgrades, money buys upgrades. Everyone put in effort to kill the mob with the riches, everyone deserves equal chance at the rewards.

If people want to be generous and pass, that is their individual discretion. Its what we ALWAYS do among friends and guildies.

But saying everyone rolls, and everyone gets an equal chance, is greedy?

An equal chance is greedy? Sorry no.

That is what YOU are saying. That is illogical. NBG is appropriate among friends or guildies. Or for No Drop Items.

[Smellybuttface]

Originally Posted by KelticKope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone Needs upgrades, money buys upgrades. Everyone put in effort to kill the mob with the riches, everyone deserves equal chance at the rewards.

If people want to be generous and pass, that is their individual discretion. Its what we ALWAYS do among friends and guildies.

But saying everyone rolls, and everyone gets an equal chance, is greedy?

An equal chance is greedy? Sorry no.

That is what YOU are saying. That is illogical. NBG is appropriate among friends or guildies. Or for No Drop Items.

This should be the norm. It gets even more confusing when people say NBG in a non-guild/friend group because then you should be making the decision, well which of you ACTUALLY needs the item more (and not which can actually USE the item).

Scenario: If a group insists on NBG and we have a Warrior, Ranger, and Rogue in the group. A SSOY drops. All can potentially use the item, but I would argue that the Warrior should get first dibs if they insist on a nonsensical NBG rule. Ykesha proc generates a decent amount of aggro, and as such, that’s aggro I’d rather have the Warrior generating then the other two classes. (A rough example, but you see my point).

So at what point do we progress from NBG to then ACTUAL need above others? Or let’s say one of them already has an SSOY, does that mean it’s less fair for that person to roll on it if the other two don’t have the item? Who makes the decision on this as we venture further and further down the rabbit hole?

NBG, in addition to being unfair to other members in the group who participated, makes the choice of who DOES get to roll on an item much more convoluted.

[Reddarok]

NBG is a simple concept, can you use it or not and is it an upgrade. Those are the only components in that idea. Dont try to overthink it, you're not that smart or the first person to think of platinum conversion. You're just arrogant enough. Either the group agrees to it or does not, end of thread.

[Kalamurv]

Pro tip for you Hazek, when you start a group, or as you join one....(as leader of group forming, you could always decide this for the group), ask what loot rules are (or tell group if you are leader of forming group). A lot of people don't like asking this because they don't want to come across as a greedy whore, but you'll run into far less issues when uberitem_002 drops that so and so wants really bad.

Myself personally I don't care which loot system is used, both have their merits and disadvantages...but when in nbg group, when I win an upgrade I will often, not always but often offer my old piece up for rest of group to random off or pass to someone else that needs.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Kalamurv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pro tip for you Hazek, when you start a group, or as you join one....(as leader of group forming, you could always decide this for the group), ask what loot rules are (or tell group if you are leader of forming group). A lot of people don't like asking this because they don't want to come across as a greedy whore, but you'll run into far less issues when uberitem_002 drops that so and so wants really bad.

Myself personally I don't care which loot system is used, both have their merits and disadvantages...but when in nbg group, when I win an upgrade I will often, not always but often offer my old piece up for rest of group to random off or pass to someone else that needs.

Yeah I hear you and i've passed on items that I couldn't equip plenty of times even though I could trade it for one I could use. And I agree that you should decide on the rules in the beginning and that it comes down to what the group chooses.

But I needed to make this thread because it always irked me when hypocrites invoke "need before greed" without understanding the reality that its not actually fair for others in the group.

And a smart person would realize that usually politics are more important than facts so if you have no authority then you're better off using idiots to your advantage by agreeing to their rules to prevent them from rolling instead of trying to educate them and getting kicked from the group.

[Shoji]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I hear you and i've passed on items that I couldn't equip plenty of times even though I could trade it for one I could use. And I agree that you should decide on the rules in the beginning and that it comes down to what the group chooses.

But I needed to make this thread because it always irked me when hypocrites invoke "need before greed" without understanding the reality that its not actually fair for others in the group.

And a smart person would realize that usually politics are more important than facts so if you have no authority then you're better off using idiots to your advantage by agreeing to their rules to prevent them from rolling instead of trying to educate them and getting kicked from the group.

Fair is subjective.

I hate the Tunnel.

I remember when I started EQ on an older established server, I fell into farming Aqua goblins to buy gear that dropped from content which I had never seen. I quickly became disenchanted with the idea and almost quit playing. Luckily a new server opened up, my wife and I moved over, and we had fun looting our gear during regular progression.

During that era developers were tackling problems with droppable loot marginalizing the availability of content for those it was intended for. Before instancing they introduced mechanics such as No Drop loot, in significant part to help alleviate this pressure.

In our guilds and our groups we always emphasized mains looting their upgrades during completion of the content it was earned within. For us it was more satisfying, positively encouraged teamwork and helped identify players with their mains.

On live for us "Greed" rolls almost always had negative connotations. P1999 is a different animal. Players spend a long time gearing up in a limited spectrum of content, often developing many alts. For some the charm is the tunnel. On the blue forums it seemed weighted towards "Greed" rolls as the popular choice. It makes sense when players identify less with a singular main character. On a new server it may be different for awhile.

We don't LFG, so not a big deal for us.

[Wallicker]

Sorry you are poor OP, I can throw you some plat.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry you are poor OP, I can throw you some plat.

Ok and you can give me high tier items too since you don't need them.

Or are you just being a hypocrite because you also want items and wouldn't actually do that?

[Wallicker]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok and you can give me high tier items too since you don't need them.

Or are you just being a hypocrite because you also want items and wouldn't actually do that?

I thought plat and items were the same? Now you want plat AND high tier items given to you when I offered you free plat?!!! Gtfoh! Again I’m sorry you are poor OP and apparently extremely greedy with a high dose of entitlement