"Need before greed"

[Hadwin]

Originally Posted by vossiewulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What he said. And the greedy bastards will never group with me again.

EVERY single one of the people who have said everyone should roll on anything because it's "fair", you people aren't the slightest bit interested in fairness. You are greedy as hell and just want to get your grasping ugly fingers on everything you can.

And that's completely demonstrated by the fact that there could be one drop the whole night and it's an awesome melee weapon and you the caster win it and walk away without a second thought. That's called greed, greed and lack of consideration for anyone other than yourselves (which is most certainly the way you treat everyone).

I totally agree

[Siege]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jagged band, for example, has inherent value.

That value is whatever it sells for (150p), even if it fluctuates.

That's what it might potentially sell for if you spend a few days spamming EC rather than leveling up your character and find someone desperate enough to pay full price. In reality, it's probably going to sit in your bank with all of the other junk you don't feel like selling until you put it on an alt or sell it well below the average price.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by Siege [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's what it might potentially sell for if you spend a few days spamming EC rather than leveling up your character and find someone desperate enough to pay full price. In reality, it's probably going to sit in your bank with all of the other junk you don't feel like selling until you put it on an alt or sell it well below the average price.

Exactly.

People are seriously over valuing the EV of an 18% chance of getting an item that may sell for 150pp on another continent after a few hours of spamming.

My bank is overflowing with random 50-150pp items, because I'm busy leveling, and make more leveling in the time it would take me to sell these items.

This of course breaks down once you get into fairly liquid the 1k+ items.

[Zal22]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jagged band, for example, has inherent value.

That value is whatever it sells for (150p), even if it fluctuates.

And the inherent value is equal for every player in the group regardless of who can equip it.

So anyone who says, "need before greed guys only I can roll on it because I can equip it" is hypocritically greedy because they don't deserve the value of that item more than anyone else in the group. The only exception is the temporary stat benefit during that session.

Does that mean you can't pass on rolls just be nice or if you already got one? No.

Does that mean you can't camp an item for a friend and agree to give it to them? No.

Does it mean that someone got an item I wanted to sell and now i'm mad? No.

What it means that the "need before greed" philosophy has always been backwards and wrong. And people should stop being greedy and accept that the fairest system is for everyone in the group to roll on all tradeable items regardless of who can equip it.

Are you trying to repair your rep, Nordok?

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Zal22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you trying to repair your rep, Nordok?

I don't care about the opinions of idiots.

[Polixa]

NBG is great if you are a melee class, all those freebies can later be sold or used to twink. Gear exclusively for casters and priests is generally less valuable and there is less of it.

[Darkslide632]

It's simple. When a group says they're using NBG, don't join if that doesn't sit well with you.

I don't understand the pissing and moaning. You either agree with it, or you don't. But agreeing with it doesn't make anyone more greedy than another.

If there's ONE person in the group saying NBG, then guess who needs to leave if they don't like the group consensus?

This isn't rocket science.

[Nuggie]

Originally Posted by Darkslide632 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's simple. When a group says they're using NBG, don't join if that doesn't sit well with you.

Very much this.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Darkslide632 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's simple. When a group says they're using NBG, don't join if that doesn't sit well with you.

You have that option. But the problem is that the definition of "need before greed" is backwards because the correct definition is everyone rolling on tradeable items because everyone needs it and the value is equal.

[Kalamurv]

Honestly it doesn't made if group is NBG or straight up Greed....the main key is to set the rules at the start of group and make sure all are aware / agree to those rules. If everyone is aware of the rules from the get go, they have absolutely no one to bitch at said rules but themselves for agreeing to them.

Now personally, I don't care either way on loot, but what I do get quite pissed about is those lame fuckers that lie about gear being an upgrade / hide their normal gear so they can claim NBG when truth is otherwise. I doesn't happen often (at least to me), but it does happen, and those type of people need to die in a very slow burning fire.