"Need before greed"

[Jimjam]

All for me and none for all!

[Axlrose]

Back on Live, I experienced both type of players within groups - everybody rolled and need before greed. For the former, one hitch people seemed to agree upon was once one person obtained something, they were exempt from a future roll until everybody in the group would win. Thus it made people consider whether they wanted a particular item just to unload to the market or play the wait and see game to see if something more desirable would drop. If nobody needed a particular item, then once the group disbanded, the one looting would either sell off the items and split the coins or if only a few people did not win anything, then give these items to them as secondary prizes.

For the most part, people were relatively pleasant. Loot whores were blacklisted.

[flacidpenguin]

If it's a pick up group I expect ots going to be Greed on everything. If it's a guild or friends group its nbg 95% of the time.

[Hazek]

There's nothing wrong with giving items to guildies or friends. But if everyone rolls on items in pugs regardless of whether you can equip it then that's not greed because everyone needs it and gets the same exact value out of it. And nothing changes that fact even if people deny it.

Trading the item for one you can equip or selling it to buy one later is literally the same as equipping the original item. (besides a temporary benefit).

The player who wins it gets an item they can use regardless of whether they can immediately equip it.


And a related note: Tradeable items are just a different form of currency. They represent energy or value. So if you want a specific tradeable item then you're better off farming the most valuable item you can then selling it to buy the one you need, instead of spending that time farming an item with lesser value even if that's the one you want. (some people already get this but others like vossiewulf never will.).

[Siege]

I don't have pixel AIDS so I like to let people have what they need. When I'm in a group with pixel-sick lootwhores who insist on greeding everything, I give whatever I win to whoever needs it.

[vossiewulf]

Originally Posted by Siege [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have pixel AIDS so I like to let people have what they need. When I'm in a group with pixel-sick lootwhores who insist on greeding everything, I give whatever I win to whoever needs it.

What he said. And the greedy bastards will never group with me again.

EVERY single one of the people who have said everyone should roll on anything because it's "fair", you people aren't the slightest bit interested in fairness. You are greedy as hell and just want to get your grasping ugly fingers on everything you can.

And that's completely demonstrated by the fact that there could be one drop the whole night and it's an awesome melee weapon and you the caster win it and walk away without a second thought. That's called greed, greed and lack of consideration for anyone other than yourselves (which is most certainly the way you treat everyone).

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by vossiewulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What he said. And the greedy bastards will never group with me again.

EVERY single one of the people who have said everyone should roll on anything because it's "fair", you people aren't the slightest bit interested in fairness. You are greedy as hell and just want to get your grasping ugly fingers on everything you can.

And that's completely demonstrated by the fact that there could be one drop the whole night and it's an awesome melee weapon and you the caster win it and walk away without a second thought. That's called greed, greed and lack of consideration for anyone other than yourselves (which is most certainly the way you treat everyone).

Wrong and hypocritical. If you let people have what they need then that includes people who could sell it and buy an equivalent item. Not sure why this utterly simple logic is hard for you to understand. Actually I know why.

[vossiewulf]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong and hypocritical. If you let people have what they need then that includes people who could sell it and buy an equivalent item. Not sure why this utterly simple logic is hard for you to understand. Actually I know why.

Sure thing Nordok's alt, anyone stupid enough to listen to you for personal advice gets what they deserve.

And of course you're greed over need. You'd laugh at the mage who just lost the roll for the 500pp very rare words.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by vossiewulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure thing Nordok's alt, anyone stupid enough to listen to you for personal advice gets what they deserve.

And of course you're greed over need. You'd laugh at the mage who just lost the roll for the 500pp very rare words.

If I were the mage, and any mage who isn't a retard, then I would say grats on the plat and the item you can buy with it because you deserve it just like the rest of us who were here for the kill.

Just like if a caster sold a sword to buy a page.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by vossiewulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What he said. And the greedy bastards will never group with me again.

EVERY single one of the people who have said everyone should roll on anything because it's "fair", you people aren't the slightest bit interested in fairness. You are greedy as hell and just want to get your grasping ugly fingers on everything you can.

And that's completely demonstrated by the fact that there could be one drop the whole night and it's an awesome melee weapon and you the caster win it and walk away without a second thought. That's called greed, greed and lack of consideration for anyone other than yourselves (which is most certainly the way you treat everyone).

Think about it this way. If everything was NBG, then what cleric is going to want to join a pug at camps where melee items drop when they aren't allowed to loot? What tank is going to want to tank for a camp with caster drops?

If everything is always greed rolls, then sometimes you lose items that you want, but sometimes but you win others that you wouldn't get to loot in a NBG scenario. It all balances out and doesn't discourage people from grouping at camps that don't have drops for their class. On top of this, if you are getting all your upgrades through NBG you only have access to same-level quality loot. If you are selling drops you can buy loot from camps that are above your ability to kill. I understand your thinking here, and I used to think that way myself, but if you think about it logically, greed rolls on everything makes the most sense.