"Need before greed"

[nightwriter2000]

For me, personally, I'm just here (in a group) to have some fun and hopefully gain exp in the right direction, maybe have some decent group banter. If I gain something material, it's icing on the cake. I personally will usually pass on rolling for something the character I'm on at that moment can't personally use, if there is someone else there playing that can use it. Loot will come eventually, I'm not in any hurry. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now, with that said - I do tend to 'raise my eyebrows', so to speak, if someone has already won the roll on a drop and then rolls again later when the same thing drops again. If I won something, I'll skip rolling on it again until everyone else has a chance. That's just me, though. You guys do what you want. I'm here for the fun. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nitsude]

All you soft-hearted poor people can still do NBG in a greed group. If you win, just give the item to who you think needs the item. And while you're driving home from work tomorrow in your Prius, listening to your favorite broadway musical radio station, you can reminisce on how great of a person you are.

NBG dictates that everyone must adhere to your standard of gameplay. GBN allows every member to decide how they want to distribute the item if they win, which makes it a superior loot system.

This attitude is gone by Kunark launch anyway.

[mischief419]

Makes 0 sense unless no drop. Not only does it have equal value to everyone,

* You can sell it and get something you NEED
* The guy that needs it may go immediately sell it
* If it's not best-in-slot, he WILL eventually sell it (it's not like he's going to find his original group to /random since he doesn't need it anymore)
* There's a good chance the guy you're rolling against is a twink. If this is your first char, esp, you need it [to sell] wayy more than the twink.

Eg, Ghoulbane. "I'm a paladin". Yea right, so many times I see these guys come back the next day with an SBS to try to pull that crap more than once, either selling or tossing on mule. Or maybe they'll have best in slot for everything *except* Ghoulbane.

Spells are expensive. Tradeskills are expensive. Need crap to sell to afford this stuff.

Unless they specifically say "need group" BEFORE you join, all drops are greed rolls. Don't need it immediately? Sell it and get something you need and have the same, inherent worth.

[BlackBellamy]

LOL. I "need" this item so I should have it. Oh yeah, and when you no longer "need" it because you got an upgrade, are you going to reform the original group and say ok guys I no longer need this so let's roll it off? No, you're going to sell that item for plat and you're going to keep that plat.

Like someone wisely said and I often repeat "Need Before Greed is someone trying to screw you out of your loot".

[Whirled]

If an unemployed guy goes and steals your rich employed neighbors newspaper so he could find a job; would that = NBG? P.S. = i do not endorse anyone stealing newspapers

[Bardp1999]

The tears of monks when T-Staff starts dropping and they don't get it will be monumental on Green

[Hazek]

You said

Originally Posted by Polycaster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there is much greater satisfaction in camping something yourself

How are you camping something yourself if you're in a group?

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean have other people camp it for you.

And if you're soloing then NBG doesn't apply.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The tears of monks when T-Staff starts dropping and they don't get it will be monumental on Green

Anyone who isn't rich would be sad about losing the roll on a 50k item.

Imagine anything you could do with that plat and replace it with T-staff.

That's what you lost the roll on.

Now you could say, "yeah but T-staff is rare and plat is everywhere" except that still screws others out of a chance at getting what its worth and anything they trade it for.

But I think most people get it now.

[Evia]

I'm really surprised how many nbg supporters exist. While I totally understand the desire to be excellent to your group mates and go with nbg to help out some homies, I'm baffled at how ppl defend the System as 'fair'. It excludes people who worked to achieve the item from getting a chance at it. That's not fair at all.

GBN is fairest because it allows everyone who participated in the kill a chance at the sellable loot items.

You can disagree with either system on a personal level, but can't convince me that nbg is the fairest system, because that's furthest from the truth.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm really surprised how many nbg supporters exist. While I totally understand the desire to be excellent to your group mates and go with nbg to help out some homies, I'm baffled at how ppl defend the System as 'fair'. It excludes people who worked to achieve the item from getting a chance at it. That's not fair at all.

GBN is fairest because it allows everyone who participated in the kill a chance at the sellable loot items.

You can disagree with either system on a personal level, but can't convince me that nbg is the fairest system, because that's furthest from the truth.

Its because people just go with what other people tell them and parrot it instead of actually thinking about it. And because on the surface it seems like its fair to give the item to whoever can immediately equip it. But in reality its greedy.