System rotation target ? - Page 24

Uaellaen · #1 06-02-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And don't you think it'd seem a bit more suitable and reasonable had this all happened on rules that at least somewhat resembled classic raiding and not introduced a new mechanic?

man we tried it all, we had a "guild council" going with divinity, transcendence, remedy, and IB ... even gothic circle came to some meetings and we setup raid rules and so on ... but there will always be a bunch of people that dont want to act according to those rules, and the guides / GMs have better things to do then babysitt us with our petty rules ...

so after a while the staff changed the server raid rules to what they are today, and from that day on it got a bit more peaceful on this server ... and you want to go back and unleash that training hell from 1 year ago? lol ...

the only thing getting rid of the variance would do is go back to a poopsock fest and test guilds as to who is willing enought to poopsock the longest to claim spawns ...

at the moment its FTE and mobilisation / knowing when a mob poped is what gets you raid mobs ... if you do not want to invest that kind of time, you do not have to ... Remedy kept out of that shit for a long while, and we still got the odd draco or inny ... of course now there is way more competition, but tracking a target with a handfull of people cycling the tracking is not that hard ...

Nedala · #2 06-02-2011, 11:19 AM

And there are also enough server repops so you could still compete for many targets without having to track.

Skope · #3 06-02-2011, 11:32 AM

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man we tried it all, we had a "guild council" going with divinity, transcendence, remedy, and IB ... even gothic circle came to some meetings and we setup raid rules and so on ... but there will always be a bunch of people that dont want to act according to those rules, and the guides / GMs have better things to do then babysitt us with our petty rules ...

so after a while the staff changed the server raid rules to what they are today, and from that day on it got a bit more peaceful on this server ... and you want to go back and unleash that training hell from 1 year ago? lol ...

the only thing getting rid of the variance would do is go back to a poopsock fest and test guilds as to who is willing enought to poopsock the longest to claim spawns ...

at the moment its FTE and mobilisation / knowing when a mob poped is what gets you raid mobs ... if you do not want to invest that kind of time, you do not have to ... Remedy kept out of that shit for a long while, and we still got the odd draco or inny ... of course now there is way more competition, but tracking a target with a handfull of people cycling the tracking is not that hard ...

it's not about hard, forget hard. we created hard. it shouldn't even be an option or mandatory merely because it never existed on live. getting rid of variance + FTE = no such thing as poopsock. Poopsock can't exist with FTE. The two shall never meet. What you will have is clusterfucks, but you can get around those.

Hasbin, are you back with IB? or DA? or is it IB again?

Shiftin · #4 06-02-2011, 11:40 AM

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it's not about hard, forget hard. we created hard. it shouldn't even be an option or mandatory merely because it never existed on live. getting rid of variance + FTE = no such thing as poopsock. Poopsock can't exist with FTE. The two shall never meet. What you will have is clusterfucks, but you can get around those.
Hasbin, are you back with IB? or DA? or is it IB again?

We're all still waiting on you to tell us how.

Versus · #5 06-02-2011, 11:42 AM

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getting rid of variance + FTE = no such thing as poopsock. Poopsock can't exist with FTE. The two shall never meet. What you will have is clusterfucks, but you can get around those. ?

It will still exist. Trak spawns in 3 hours...Camp your mains @ Lair fully buffed and play an alt until 2 mins before hand (3-5 guilds will do this). This is still poopsocking, except you're spending your time on an alt in the meantime. First one to log in 15-20 and shoot a bow @ Trak while Idol DA'd while the remainder of his raid logs in and joins the fight wins.

Fucking dumb.

Either:
1. Make it a random-timed full spawn so guilds have to prioritize targets. (And thus smaller guilds can get some too)
-or-
2. Leave it the way it is and the guilds who are more dedicated to tracking will get the payoff. There are many things about this server that are un-classic. Deal with it.

Hasbinbad · #6 06-02-2011, 10:44 AM

A friend of mine recommended this thread to me. He said it delivers. He was right.

I've never seen so much arguing - so much passionate debate - over something which hasn't even been presented.

Skope I have to give it to you. This is a masterful troll. 10/10. Hands down the best troll of 2011 so far.

..which of course begs the question: "WTF happened to Divinity?"

Hasbinbad, signing off.

Shiftin · #7 06-02-2011, 12:05 PM

If most people in your own guild, and the other raiding guilds, all disagree with you... at some point you have to consider the possibility that you're not making sense.

Skope · #8 06-02-2011, 12:09 PM

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If most people in your own guild, and the other raiding guilds, all disagree with you... at some point you have to consider the possibility that you're not making sense.

and through damn near 30 pages I haven't seen a single reason as to why i'm wrong, shiftin. Hell, you even agree with some points i've made.

The biggest reason that people have against dumping or shortening variance is one i've stated repeatedly: it doesn't address the issue of GM involvement. Clusterfucks will happen. As I've told Hobby, though, unless there are clear boundaries as to where and how GMs will get involved then you can't really patch that up, can you?

If you're unprepared and pull before you're ready you'll wipe. Have fun with your rezzes. Communication is rather important now, isn't it? So are mind games. Do i even want to engage first? are you sure we should be sitting on trak's spawn point so we get to engage first? Honestly, i would love to see, if only once, 5-6 guilds being fearbombed by trak.

Versus · #9 06-02-2011, 12:08 PM

The mob shouting a name would alleviate the random person whose raid is presently unprepared throwing a Jav/Arrow @ a mob .5 seconds before someone in the prepared raid does.

If this happened, the prepared raid would see it and know to let the unprepared raid wipe, instead of engaging it, (without knowing it was tagged by the unprepared raid .5 seconds beforehand) killing it, and having to hand the loot over because the GM's saw in the logs that the unprepared person actually engaged first.

Aadill · #10 06-02-2011, 12:13 PM

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The mob shouting a name would alleviate the random person whose raid is presently unprepared throwing a Jav/Arrow @ a mob .5 seconds before someone in the prepared raid does.

If this happened, the prepared raid would see it and know to let the unprepared raid wipe, instead of engaging it, (without knowing it was tagged by the unprepared raid .5 seconds beforehand) killing it, and having to hand the loot over because the GM's saw in the logs that the unprepared person actually engaged first.

This is the only concept in this thread that thus far proves to be a change that would work for the better and would be relatively easy to integrate ala Gorenaire's current shout mechanic upon being agroed. DTing mobs still have the issue of first-dead-second-pull agro but if that portion of the rule were to be removed then it would be much more simple.

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If you're unprepared and pull before you're ready you'll wipe. Have fun with your rezzes. Communication is rather important now, isn't it? So are mind games. Do i even want to engage first? are you sure we should be sitting on trak's spawn point so we get to engage first? Honestly, i would love to see, if only once, 5-6 guilds being fearbombed by trak.

Who the hell would not be ready for a mob that spawns at a very specific time? With a small variance of even 8 hours you can expect people to sit there buffed and ready to engage. The reason the variance is so big is because it DISSUADES people from sitting on their asses for four days and instead race for targets when they DO spawn.