Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[Ligma]

Most people didn't know the importance of mob level or MR debuffs. And had shitty dial up internet. And didn't know about global cooldown reset.

Some people still used charm very effectively. Charm played a vital role for the first AOW kills.

It shouldn't be surprising that a few people can coordinate on discord to keep a charm mob under control.

[Mercius]

I like ENC and dont care if it stays broke but it's kinda inconsistent with the way mages are being handled

Why bully mages when enchanters can clear out areas faster than a full group can

[ArunaGreen]

Regardless of whether it was classic or not, to allow a single class such a massive amount of power is fucking moronic. Allowing a single class to literally charm a single mob with very little risk that can out dps an entire DPS dedicated group is so fucking dumb it's incredible. To refuse to change such a blatantly broken mechanic is just too stupid for words.

[bwe]

Originally Posted by ArunaGreen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless of whether it was classic or not, to allow a single class such a massive amount of power is fucking moronic. Allowing a single class to literally charm a single mob with very little risk that can out dps an entire DPS dedicated group is so fucking dumb it's incredible. To refuse to change such a blatantly broken mechanic is just too stupid for words.

nah man this is how people leveled in 1999 it's classic (tm) /s

[Swish]

Originally Posted by ArunaGreen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless of whether it was classic or not, to allow a single class such a massive amount of power is fucking moronic.

At the time it was necromancers who had this comment attached to them.

[A1551]

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...A lot of classes have been nerfed that were OP in classic. If it is true Enchanter was like this, then fucking nerf it anyway. If it wasn't like this, then fucking nerf it...

Ok, so you seem to be confused about this project. They're not here trying to fix classic EQ, they're doing their best to recreate it given the limitations of an emulator and volunteer labor working on a passion project. It is their museum to classical EQ and they let us in the door to come play around and have fun, and man, I guess complaining about classes being OP on forums is as classic as can be, so I guess that's all part of the experience!

It is highly unlikely they nerf enchanter charm here without a good reason. The best reason would be the provision of evidence that it is not classic. They do other non classic things on occasion, but generally they are not arbitrary, and are usually related to easing the burden on their guide volunteers, or preventing people from "breaking" content in some sort of manner that the staff feel is against their vision of the spirit of classic EQ. I suppose you could try to make a case somehow along those lines, but I doubt youll be successful -- the much more likely path to success would be the classic evidence.

[Frug]

Originally Posted by A1551 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They're not here trying to fix classic EQ, they're doing their best to recreate it given the limitations of an emulator and volunteer labor working on a passion project.

Unless that provides some advantage to the players, then they fix the shit out of it.

[A1551]

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sound like a scared Enchanter whose time has come. You're ignoring all the non classic nerfs here to prevent exactly what is happening with Enchanter now.

It's time to nerf Enchanter charm everyone. Turn them back into a group mez class like we all know they are and were intended to be regardless.

I literally said i would personally prefer if they did in fact nerf it. Try and follow along

[A1551]

Originally Posted by ArunaGreen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless of whether it was classic or not, to allow a single class such a massive amount of power is fucking moronic. Allowing a single class to literally charm a single mob with very little risk that can out dps an entire DPS dedicated group is so fucking dumb it's incredible. To refuse to change such a blatantly broken mechanic is just too stupid for words.

I actually personally agree with you that the game would be much better off if Charm was much less reliable, but again, who cares what I think. It is unlikely the devs here are going to make any changes to it without evidence on which they can act -- and that is the thing, if someone did a nice deep dive on it and found some real evidence, and posted a bug report, there's a pretty good chance they would rework it.

Originally Posted by Mercius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like ENC and dont care if it stays broke but it's kinda inconsistent with the way mages are being handled

Why bully mages when enchanters can clear out areas faster than a full group can

How is it inconsistent? Mages sure have gotten shafted, but its not arbitrary -- someone went out and did a ton of quality research on them and submitted very detailed, thorough evidence to the devs which lead to things being the way they are. I agree it really sucks for mages and is frustrating, but if anything this is proof if someone got off their ass and did what Dolalin did with mages for charm/chanter research, It'd probably happen!

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except the values used are already a terrible guess by EQEmu devs who didn't give a shit what they used cause they were just trying to get the thing working in some way.

The charm code here is not the stock EQEMU code, I can't say how it differs or how much work was put into it or how much research was done, but you don't know either. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that whatever DEV here did the charm code, after deciding the stock code needed a re-work, probably did more research than you have. And you know what? Even if it is wrong (which it very well may be!) it works, and is likely a fair approximation of the classic system, and barring someone going and finding real evidence, I don't see the devs re-writing the system based on your half remembered opinion-complaints.

I want to emphasize here, I am not saying you're wrong, just that no P99 Dev is likely to come volunteer many hours of their time to retune the charm system which is working fine at the moment without some damn evidence it really is out of kilter.

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.oocities.org/xymarra/Str...egy.html#charm

Finally, I appreciate you made at least some effort to find something that sort of resembles evidence, but this doesn't tell us anything. You can find people who would write the same thing about charm on P99 today. That is not to say it is of no value, it could be one piece in a much larger sample of evidence that all pointed in a similar way, but alone it is meaningless.

[bubur]

hey

calm down

if charm broke 2x or 3x as much we'd still use it for leveling, groups, and dragons. you can color shift mez and recharm. its just how it is now