Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[Rooj]

Originally Posted by Onadan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no evidence but chiming in that, in general, the random chance of spell breaking before its time seems too low. Invis lasts forever, root lasts forever, and it sounds like charm lasts forever as well.

Once I learned invis I ran my Enchanter from Akanon to Qeynos, and recently from Qeynos to Highkeep to buy some Enchanter spells. Was pretty baffled by the duration of invis. Definitely didn't feel right.

Also, still waiting on some parses. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Don't be afraid!

[Dolalin]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...9&postcount=52

This is, I think, a much larger impact for CHA on charm duration than was shown in the classic tests I linked earlier, isn't it?

Compare that with the classic tests: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=295

It's not even close, CHA shouldn't be having that much of an impact here.

[Nirgon]

AoW was killed twice mid-to-late Velious by the joint forces of Legacy of Steel and Shock of Swords on the Nameless. This was accomplished by charming "Frozen Moses" aka Fjokar Frozenshard.

if charm wasn't reliable, how did this happen?

good day to you sirs

[Bazia]

it was reliable with velious gear / velious tier debuffs

not nude high elves with crude steins

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it was reliable with velious gear / velious tier debuffs

not nude high elves with crude steins

Classic tash+malo is only 7 points lower than velious tash+malo.

Classic evidence is suggesting charm didn't affect charm durations.

You're awful at this.

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nothing classic about being in HHK and theres two charming enchanters in gob basement 2 charming enchanters clearing first floor guards a high level charm enchanter soloing second floor guards
another charming enchanter soloing nobles and yes even another charming enchanter and mage duo clearing third and fourth floor

shits getting stupid real quick

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll keep making classic changes when I can, regardless if people threaten to quit. I'm here to recreate classic eq; not to make people happy.

Barking up the wrong tree man.

Go put in bug reports to change other things, that are actually classic mechanics, that would make life harder for enchanters. Charm isn't gonna get changed because at best the evidence is conflicting, and more likely charm is pretty darn close.

[Frug]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic evidence is suggesting charm didn't affect charm durations.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it was reliable with velious gear / velious tier debuffs

not nude high elves with crude steins

I'm 210 CHA and have fast charm breaks here and there, even on mobs 4 levels lower. 255 Cha is 255 Cha, whether it has 100hp and 15sv all Velious stuff on top of it.

You will have to erase the history of Frozen Moses for a leg to stand on bros. This one's over.

I think as people mentioned, the random LDs and connections back in the day had more to do with not using charm. The 50% damage dealt rule also probably applied to groups. That might be the fix you're looking for to this situation. It will not prevent me from being a filthy charm burner using invis tho, only slow things down.... which sounds right and fair.

[Wurl]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You will have to erase the history of Frozen Moses for a leg to stand on bros. This one's over.

You've posted "someone charmed a mob one time you guys!!!!" dozens of times in this thread now mate. Maybe that's enough posting?

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Wurl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've posted "someone charmed a mob one time you guys!!!!" dozens of times in this thread now mate. Maybe that's enough posting?

The people asking for charm nerfs could hardly stop posting about the imp used on naggy, claiming that was somehow proof that charm is more powerful here than on classic. It's only fair for Nirgon to point to a classic example of a harder-to-charm mob being used on a longer fight as evidence that charm is correct here.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Wurl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've posted "someone charmed a mob one time you guys!!!!" dozens of times in this thread now mate. Maybe that's enough posting?

Dozens huh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Get to work on evidence (got mine) not feels