List Integrity

[Mercius]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Normal people don't ask random strangers to spend their whole saturday helping them move, then people call you an Ahole for not helping a stranger.

Its weird to expect that type of charity from strangers.

helping someone move = clicking a mob in everquest

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[bubur]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Normal people don't ask random strangers to spend their whole saturday helping them move, then people call you an Ahole for not helping a stranger.

Its weird to expect that type of charity from strangers.

If I was a toy train hobbiest, I may ask a fellow enthusiast to help me move them or obtain a particularly rare one.

I mean... We're talking about emulated eq, its /list system, and manastone ph's, not toy trains or moving labor. The mental gymnastics are getting complicated. If you got there second, you'd only be helping yourself to help the guy who got there first, right?

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by bubur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I was a toy train hobbiest, I may ask a fellow enthusiast to help me move them or obtain a particularly rare one.

I mean... We're talking about emulated eq, its /list system, and manastone ph's, not toy trains or moving labor. The mental gymnastics are getting complicated. If you got there second, you'd only be helping yourself to help the guy who got there first, right?

I see your point as far as the analogy muddys the water ( i think thats one of your points).

But continuing with your example, Id say its closer to him asking a fellow enthusiast - who he has never met - to buy him a rare train.

[Rooj]

Originally Posted by lituviel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rooj, you have it completely clear.
Maybe this situation will or won't happen again.
However if this could be tuned up in rules or a player consensus... This situation would surely never happen again.

That's just it. The frequency of the issue doesn't warrant a forum post, a petition, any changes, or any staff intervention whatsoever. The system is working perfectly. There's just no sense in the staff wasting any of their time on something that is hardly ever going to happen, especially since what is happening isn't even that big of a deal in the first place.

[nicemace]

It's pretty simple. The list ensures there is a group that is able to kill the mob at the location. The only way the mob doesn't die is if people choose to be unhelpful dickheads. Work as a team and kill the mob. Pretty Simple. Or you can choose to be the unhelpful dickheads that you are and try bully people around.... which makes you look like dickheads...which is what everyone is telling you.

It's not charity, its simply grouping. Don't be dicks.

[Smaxx]

People should be getting laid more.....

[Veeshan31]

Grakken you are so far gone and instead of just admitting you were wrong and being a dick, your continuing to argue you were right. It just makes you look worse. Almost as bad as Masterize.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Veeshan31 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Grakken you are so far gone and instead of just admitting you were wrong and being a dick, your continuing to argue you were right. It just makes you look worse. Almost as bad as Masterize.

This has been a continuing theme I keep responding to. We fundamentally disagree on what the absence of charity is. You are saying if you don't so something nice for someone you are an Ahole. I believe charity is should be met with gratitude and lack of charity shouldn't be met with hostility.

Another example: someone comes up to me and asks me for a SoW. You think I am an Ahole if I don't SoW him. I disagree. I believe we have an entitlement problem in this community.

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has been a continuing theme I keep responding to. We fundamentally disagree on what the absence of charity is. You are saying if you don't so something nice for someone you are an Ahole. I believe charity is should be met with gratitude and lack of charity shouldn't be met with hostility.

Another example: someone comes up to me and asks me for a SoW. You think I am an Ahole if I don't SoW him. I disagree. I believe we have an entitlement problem in this community.

its not entitlement. he's not under leveled. he is in the range that is acceptable for a group to be at that mob. the list ensures there are people there that can group... or you can do what you did and choose to be a dickhead and not contribute to the group.

but if you want to behave that way that is all good. just don't be shocked when people call you out on your shitty behavior.

its more of a dickhead problem than an entitlement problem.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by nicemace [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its not entitlement. he's not under leveled. he is in the range that is acceptable for a group to be at that mob. the list ensures there are people there that can group... or you can do what you did and choose to be a dickhead and not contribute to the group.

but if you want to behave that way that is all good. just don't be shocked when people call you out on your shitty behavior.

its more of a dickhead problem than an entitlement problem.

The group? You mean me and one other person? Had I just decided to log off, he would still be in the spot of having the PH up for 3 hours? At no point during any PH killing did I not participate.

I agree he is not under leveled based off of the rules. I never accused him of being entitled. The backlash of people attacking me (which was never slot 1) saying I have an obligation to kill the mob for him. That is entitlement.

All the list does is give anyone willing to wait a bite at the apple. Read my OP, I posted the specific problem and a remedy. The remedy was not (remove this guy from the list). The remedy was, "we need to tweak the list system". Forward thinking.